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Which Popes fathered illegitimate children - January 6th, 2011, 09:34 PM

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Which Popes fathered illegitimate children
Pope Alexander 6th had at least 3 children including Cesare and Lucretia Borge
and I have read that many Pope's sired children by their mistresses or
courtesans.

Pope John XII (955–963) (deposed by Conclave) was said to have turned the
Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano into a brothel and was accused of adultery,
fornication, and incest (Source: Patrologia Latina).
Pope Pius II (1458–1464) had at least two illegitimate children (one in
Strasbourg and another one in Scotland), born before he entered ecclesiestical
state.

Pope Innocent VIII (1484–1492) had at least two illegitimate children, born
before he entered ecclesiestical state.

Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had at least one illegitimate daugheter, Felice (born
in 1483, twenty years before his election). Some sources indicate that he has
two additional illegitimate daughters, who died in their childhood.

Pope Paul III (1534–1549) held off ordination in order to continue his
promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons ands one
daughter) by his mistress Silvia Rufina. He broke his relations with her ca.
1513 and there's no evidence of his sexual activity during his papacy.

Pope Pius IV (1559–1565) had three illegitimate children before his election to
the papacy.

Pope Gregory XIII (1572–1585) had an illegitimate son before he took holy
orders.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048) was said to
have conducted very dissolute life during his papacy.

Pope Clement VI (1342–1352) according to contemporary writer Petrarch held
dissolute life both before and after his election to the papacy. Countness of
Turenne was ostensibly his main mistress.

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei
Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children
Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of
Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. For rumors of Alexander's
sexual activity see Banquet of Chestnuts. He fathered a total of seven children.

Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was accused of having homosexual relations with his
adoptive nephew Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte whom he made a cardinal shortly
after his election to the papacy. Some others claimed also that he was his
father. None of this allegations, however, have been confirmed with certainity.

Allegedly and factually sexually active popes
There have been 254 popes. There are various classifications for those who
were sexually active at some time during their life:

[edit] Popes required to be married by Jewish law
Saint Peter, whose mother-in-law is mentioned in the bible as having been
miraculously healed (Mat 8:15). Nothing is known of Peter's marital status
during his apostleship.

Pope Innocent VIII (1484–1492) had at least two illegitimate children, born
before he entered ecclesiestical state.
Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had at least one illegitimate daugheter, Felice
(born in 1483, twenty years before his election). Some sources indicate that
he has two additional illegitimate daughters, who died in their childhood.

Pope Paul III (1534–1549) held off ordination in order to continue his
promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons ands
one daughter) by his mistress Silvia Rufina. He broke his relations with her
ca. 1513 and there's no evidence of his sexual activity during his papacy. [6]

Pope Pius IV (1559–1565) had three illegitimate children before his election
to the papacy.[7]
Pope Gregory XIII (1572–1585) had an illegitimate son before he took holy
orders. [8]

[edit] Popes who appear to be in contravention of their office
Along with other complaints, the activities of the popes between 1458 to 1565,
helped to bring about the Reformation.

Pope Sergius III (904–911) was supposedly the father of Pope John XI by
Marozia (Source: Liber Pontificalis, Liutprand of Cremona).[citation needed]
Pope John XII (955–963) (deposed by Conclave) was said to have turned the
Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano into a brothel and was accused of
adultery, fornication, and incest (Source: Patrologia Latina).[9]
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048) was said to
have conducted very dissolute life during his papacy. [10]
Pope Clement VI (1342–1352) according to contemporary writer Petrarch held
dissolute life both before and after his election to the papacy. Countness of
Turenne was ostensibly his main mistress.
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei
Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children
Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of
Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. For rumors of Alexander's
sexual activity see Banquet of Chestnuts. He fathered a total of seven
children.[citation needed]
Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was accused of having homosexual relations with
his adoptive nephew Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte whom he made a cardinal
shortly after his election to the papacy.
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Which Popes fathered illegitimate children
Pope Alexander 6th had at least 3 children including Cesare and Lucretia Borge
and I have read that many Pope's sired children by their mistresses or
courtesans.

Pope John XII (955–963) (deposed by Conclave) was said to have turned the
Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano into a brothel and was accused of adultery,
fornication, and incest (Source: Patrologia Latina).
Pope Pius II (1458–1464) had at least two illegitimate children (one in
Strasbourg and another one in Scotland), born before he entered ecclesiestical
state.

Pope Innocent VIII (1484–1492) had at least two illegitimate children, born
before he entered ecclesiestical state.

Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had at least one illegitimate daugheter, Felice (born
in 1483, twenty years before his election). Some sources indicate that he has
two additional illegitimate daughters, who died in their childhood.

Pope Paul III (1534–1549) held off ordination in order to continue his
promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons ands one
daughter) by his mistress Silvia Rufina. He broke his relations with her ca.
1513 and there's no evidence of his sexual activity during his papacy.

Pope Pius IV (1559–1565) had three illegitimate children before his election to
the papacy.

Pope Gregory XIII (1572–1585) had an illegitimate son before he took holy
orders.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048) was said to
have conducted very dissolute life during his papacy.

Pope Clement VI (1342–1352) according to contemporary writer Petrarch held
dissolute life both before and after his election to the papacy. Countness of
Turenne was ostensibly his main mistress.

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei
Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children
Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of
Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. For rumors of Alexander's
sexual activity see Banquet of Chestnuts. He fathered a total of seven children.

Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was accused of having homosexual relations with his
adoptive nephew Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte whom he made a cardinal shortly
after his election to the papacy. Some others claimed also that he was his
father. None of this allegations, however, have been confirmed with certainity.

Allegedly and factually sexually active popes
There have been 254 popes. There are various classifications for those who
were sexually active at some time during their life:

[edit] Popes required to be married by Jewish law
Saint Peter, whose mother-in-law is mentioned in the bible as having been
miraculously healed (Mat 8:15). Nothing is known of Peter's marital status
during his apostleship.

Pope Innocent VIII (1484–1492) had at least two illegitimate children, born
before he entered ecclesiestical state.
Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had at least one illegitimate daugheter, Felice
(born in 1483, twenty years before his election). Some sources indicate that
he has two additional illegitimate daughters, who died in their childhood.

Pope Paul III (1534–1549) held off ordination in order to continue his
promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons ands
one daughter) by his mistress Silvia Rufina. He broke his relations with her
ca. 1513 and there's no evidence of his sexual activity during his papacy. [6]

Pope Pius IV (1559–1565) had three illegitimate children before his election
to the papacy.[7]
Pope Gregory XIII (1572–1585) had an illegitimate son before he took holy
orders. [8]

[edit] Popes who appear to be in contravention of their office
Along with other complaints, the activities of the popes between 1458 to 1565,
helped to bring about the Reformation.

Pope Sergius III (904–911) was supposedly the father of Pope John XI by
Marozia (Source: Liber Pontificalis, Liutprand of Cremona).[citation needed]
Pope John XII (955–963) (deposed by Conclave) was said to have turned the
Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano into a brothel and was accused of
adultery, fornication, and incest (Source: Patrologia Latina).[9]
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048) was said to
have conducted very dissolute life during his papacy. [10]
Pope Clement VI (1342–1352) according to contemporary writer Petrarch held
dissolute life both before and after his election to the papacy. Countness of
Turenne was ostensibly his main mistress.
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei
Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children
Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of
Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. For rumors of Alexander's
sexual activity see Banquet of Chestnuts. He fathered a total of seven
children.[citation needed]
Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was accused of having homosexual relations with
his adoptive nephew Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte whom he made a cardinal
shortly after his election to the papacy.
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Does it negate Jesus' giving the keys to the kingdom to fallen men?





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Does it negate Jesus' giving the keys to the kingdom to fallen men?
Jesus only gave the keys to Peter... no where do I see keys involved in any sort of apostolic succession either.

Also, the need for someone to keep the keys ended when Christ ascended..




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Which Popes fathered illegitimate children...
Source, please. Post the web link to your source for this information.



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Jesus only gave the keys to Peter... no where do I see keys involved in any sort of apostolic succession either.

Also, the need for someone to keep the keys ended when Christ ascended..
Peter used them while Christ was on earth?

I have never heard of that before. What exactly did Peter do with them before the ascension?





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Source, please. Post the web link to your source for this information.
There are a number of books available, Bad Popes for one. Also you might check out this.

I say, "So what . . . there were a few bad presidents too. NOT a big deal OMEGA."





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Jesus only gave the keys to Peter... no where do I see keys involved in any sort of apostolic succession either.

Also, the need for someone to keep the keys ended when Christ ascended..
Why? Did Jesus think He might misplace them? No pockets in His seamless robe?

What verse shows Peter using them pre-ascension?

...waiting...





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Why? Did Jesus think He might misplace them? No pockets in His seamless robe?

What verse shows Peter using them pre-ascension?

...waiting...
Show me any verses where he ever uses them...

I'll be waiting for eternity on that one.



   
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Jesus only gave the keys to Peter... no where do I see keys involved in any sort of apostolic succession either.Also, the need for someone to keep the keys ended when Christ ascended..
Yes, your constant litany of wholly unsubstantiated anti-Catholic and ahistorical assumptions is noted.



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There are a number of books available...
Oh, I don't deny that some popes have committed serious sins. I simply want OMEGA to supply his source for the OP. Just don't like plagiarism, I guess.

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Also you might check out this.
Yes, ten out of two-hundred and sixty-five.

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I say, "So what . . . there were a few bad presidents too. NOT a big deal OMEGA."
The fact that some popes have sinned in no way rules out the Catholic Church as Christ's historic Church, as OMEGA seems to assume. St. Peter himself publically denied the Lord with curses, and all of the apostles abandoned him to his death. "Bishops can sin"---not really big news, is it.



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Yes, your constant litany of wholly unsubstantiated anti-Catholic and ahistorical assumptions is noted.



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Catholic or not... unsubstianted positions are just that...

There is no evidence whatsoever that Peters 'keys' were allowed to be passed onto anyone else.

Now I am sure you can provide some writings from people who never even knew Peter and lived decades after his death claiming your position. But from a historical continuity point of view.. there is no evidence.



   
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January 7th, 2011, 02:53 PM

Wasn't one pope a woman in disguise?





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