I didn't miss that one, I even looked at the link, but it was too much and too heavy to go through the whole thing.
If you are going to presume to declare the matter in error, then it is not unreasonable to assume you would do the heavy lifting necessary to come to a fuller understanding of the topic, no?
Studying to show ourselves approved does not mean seeking Cliff's Notes on weighty matters. Why should we take you seriously if your approach to sacred topics is going to be this superficial?
I think it is a kind of arbitrary. Why would you need a different something to be aware of yourself and to be aware of God?
Think of your soul as this thing you call YOU, all right? Now, your body is your connection to the physical reality. Your spirit is your connection to the spiritual reality.
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Anyway, yes, we are created in the image of God, and no, God is not flesh and blood like we, but spirit.
We're spirit too. Our tri-unity is analogous to God's tri-unity. Think of the Father as God's Soul, the Son as His Body (you'll have to grant the Incarnation for this), and the Holy Spirit as His Spirit.
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So you cannot say that God is three because we are three.
Eili is teaching you truth from God's word. Listen to him. God is ONE not three. Choose which book is important to you, the Bible or some other. It is time to stand up and be counted by God, not your church.
O foolish man, how long will you keep your head in the sands of tradition. Wake up. God is calling. The Trinity is a man made foolish lie to take you away from the true creator. It is evil and the folks who pushed it on the church will be judged for it.
Babylon is falling, come out of her.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
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January 27th, 2011, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion
If you are going to presume to declare the matter in error, then it is not unreasonable to assume you would do the heavy lifting necessary to come to a fuller understanding of the topic, no?
Studying to show ourselves approved does not mean seeking Cliff's Notes on weighty matters. Why should we take you seriously if your approach to sacred topics is going to be this superficial?
AMR
Bs'd
It is really very simple: The Bible teaches that God is one. (1)
If somebody teaches something else, whether it is that God is 2, 3, 3 in 1, a trinity, or whatever else which is not one, then I know that it is contradicting the Bible.
I know that the trinity implies something different than one, somehow implying three.
Even if don't know the finer details of the trinity, (and let's face it, if you ask 10 Christians about the trinity, you'll get 20 different opinions) I still know it is going against the Bible.
And that's all I need to know in order to reject it.
Eliyahu light unto the nations
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
This message is sent to you from Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Israel.
"From Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Y-H-W-H from Jerusalem." Isaiah 2:3, Micah 4:2
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"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
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January 27th, 2011, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by One Eyed Jack
Think of your soul as this thing you call YOU, all right? Now, your body is your connection to the physical reality. Your spirit is your connection to the spiritual reality.
Bs'd
According to my humble opinion, my soul IS the spiritual reality, and therefore I don't need a "spirit".
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We're spirit too. Our tri-unity is analogous to God's tri-unity.
We are flesh and blood. God is not flesh and blood, He is spirit. Therefore, even if we were a trinity, there is no way that God resembles us.
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Think of the Father as God's Soul, the Son as His Body (you'll have to grant the Incarnation for this), and the Holy Spirit as His Spirit.
How many of you are there?
There is only one of me, as far as I know.
And there is only one God. The catch however is, that that one God IS one.
Christianity believes in one God who is tree.
The Tenach (and also the NT) teaches us that there is only one God who is ONE. (and therefore not two, not three, not three in one, not a trinity, but ONE)
Can you guys understand that, that there is one God who is one, and not one God who is three?
Eliyahu light unto the nations
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
This message is sent to you from Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Israel.
"From Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Y-H-W-H from Jerusalem." Isaiah 2:3, Micah 4:2
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"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
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January 27th, 2011, 08:30 AM
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Elia explain this .
Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
Bs'd
Genesis 1:26; "Let us make man" If anybody finds in a text the word "us", would any normal person assume that it refers to one person with a multi-personality disorder? Of course not.
But why then, when Christians see the word "us" in the Bible, do they think that?
Gen 1:26 is used as a 'proof' that there is more than one God, or one God who is not one, eventhough the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God who is one. and despite the fact that there are several other valid explanations for the plural word "us". One explanation is that it is a majestic plural as used by kings. Another possible explanation is that God was talking to the angels.
Some Christians try to refute the last argument by saying that the angels didn't create. They point to Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." They say: 'God was the creator, and not the angels.' However, it is a given in Jewish law that an emissary is equal to the one who sends him. When a Jewish man marries a woman through an agent, the legal effect is the same as when he marries her personally. A good Biblical example of this is to be found in Genesis 19 where is spoken about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. God sent two angels to destroy the cities, the angels said to Lot in verse 13: "For we are about to destroy this place, because the outcry against its people has become great before the LORD, and the LORD has sent us to destroy it." Upon this Lot says to his sons in law: "Up, get out of this place; for the LORD is about to destroy the city." Lot didn't say: "The angels are going to destroy the city" He said: "The LORD (Y-H-W-H in the Hebrew text) is going to destroy the city". And in verse 29 it is written: "So it was that, when God destroyed the cities of the valley...." So the angels were send by God to destroy the cities, but God is considered to be the one who did it, because He was the one who sent them. So why shouldn't the same hold true for the creation?
But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".
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or this
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
or this
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
I don't believe in the NT, so I don't see any use in explaining it.
What I can tell you, is that everybody can claim to be God.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2011, 12:31 PM
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Bs'd
Only people who cannot count to two believe something like that.
Eliyahu
Jesus said "the Father is greater than I".
Does one mean only?
In other words, should different monotheisms be debated, or is this one meaning only too simple?
Can one also mean agreed? For example, if two people are agreed, though they are still two, they are one in their agreement.
Also, the two shall become one flesh.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Slogan/motto:
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
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January 27th, 2011, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Jesus said "the Father is greater than I".
Does one mean only?
"One" does not mean "only", it means ONE.
Is that really so hard to understand??
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In other words, should different monotheisms be debated, or is this one meaning only too simple?
Can one also mean agreed? For example, if two people are agreed, though they are still two, they are one in their agreement.
Amazing how people are trying to turn one into three.
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Also, the two shall become one flesh.
"And they shall be one flesh" ..... In the Hebrew: "wehayu levasar echad" ..... This text is claimed by Christianity to prove that the word 'echad' can point to, or be, a 'composite unity', one being made up of more than one.
'Echad', one, can point to a composite unity. Of course. One can also point to a million: One million houses. Here one points to a million, but one is still one. We have here one million, and not a million millions. The fact that one points to something else does not change the meaning of one. One is one, and one stays one.
The claim that 'echad', one, can be a composite unity, with as proof the above verse, is simply wrong. In the above verse the flesh, made up of two people, is the composite unity, and not the 'echad', the one. Compare this to the following: One group of people. Here the group is the composite unity, and not the word one. We don't have here a composite unity of composite unities, but we have here one composite unity (the group of people). One is one and one stays one.
And last but not least; what Christianity does here, is comparing apples to steaks. The verse 'they will be one flesh' cannot be compared to 'God is one'. In the first verse the one is a number, telling us that there will be only one flesh. But in the second verse the one is not a number telling us that there is one God, here the one is an adjective, telling us that God IS one. (and not three) Here the one describes the essence of God, it doesn't give us the amount of Gods. Therefore you can not draw a conclusion from the first verse and apply it to the other.
And of course, Christianity must not forget that they not only have the battle with the Hebrew word 'echad', but also with the Greek word 'eis', also meaning one. In Mark 12:28-34 Jesus has a discussion with a scribe. The scribe asks Jesus what is the first (that is here 'most important', not first in order, because many commandments were given earlier) commandment, and Jesus answers: "Hear Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one." Here Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:4. That is in the Greek: 'Kurios' (Lord) 'eis' (one) 'estin' (is). When he said this to the scribe the scribe answers him: "You are right teacher; you have truly said that he is one (eis), and there is no other then he." Upon this answers Jesus: "You are not far from the kingdom of God." So basically everybody agrees that God is one, except for the Christians. Therefore; the Christians must not only twist, deform, and corrupt the meaning of 'echad', meaning one, into three, but also the Greek word 'eis'. The question is of course: How often can you pull stunts like that, and still have some credibility left?
For Christianity it is literally a matter of life and death to obscure the fact that God is one, because when God is one, then He is not three, and then the trinity goes out the window and the Christians are exposed as the idol worshippers they are. Therefore also here many Bible translations are corrupted. This is the answer of the scribe to Jesus: “You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other then he." The scribe says: “HE IS ONE”. He does not say that there is one God, he says: “He (referring to God) IS ONE, and there is no other then he.” Take good notice that the scribe does not use the word “God”, the scribe refers to God with the word “He”. The word “God” does not appear in the answer of the scribe. But look now at some translations:
All versions of the King James: And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: (why else “King James ONLY!)
Youngs literal translation: And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He; Youngs literal translation is not so literal here…
Worldwide English: And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He;
Gone is the fact that God is one, replaced by the fact that there is one God. Christianity can live with one God. One God who is three that is: God the Father, god the son, and god the holy ghost.
Christianity can’t live with one God who is one, like the Bible teaches. Therefore the translations are corrupted, in order to cover up the fact that God is one.
But honour to whom honour is due, there are modern day Christian translations who translate this in the right way:
New International Version: "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.” The word “God” should have been “He”, but the message is correct.
New American Standard Bible: The scribe said to Him, ""Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that he is one, and there is no one else beside him.
Revised Standard Version: And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that he is one, and there is no other but he;
Darby translation: And the scribe said to him, Right, teacher; thou hast spoken according to [the] truth. For he is one, and there is none other besides him;
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deuteronomy 6:4
Eliyahu light unto the nations
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
This message is sent to you from Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Israel.
"From Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Y-H-W-H from Jerusalem." Isaiah 2:3, Micah 4:2
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