[Stripe]

Originally Posted by Sealeaf

Not just Jupiter but the whole solar system, the whole Galaxy. It is a simple, grand process. Clouds coaless into stars and planets. Stars age, slowly becoming full of heavy elements and eventually nova into clouds again.

Jupiter cannot have coalesced from gas. The sun drives gas away.

It is a beautiful dance. Rather more slow motion than humans can usually appriciate but beautiful, grand and perhaps even holy.

You're a fruit loop.

Only God is holy.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Sealeaf

Not just Jupiter but the whole solar system, the whole Galaxy. It is a simple, grand process. Clouds coaless into stars and planets. Stars age, slowly becoming full of heavy elements and eventually nova into clouds again.
It is a beautiful dance. Rather more slow motion than humans can usually appriciate but beautiful, grand and perhaps even holy.

Give it up, Sealeaf!

Stripe flatly disagrees with, as far as I can tell, every aspect of modern scientific thought.

In the universe Stripe inhabits, God operates everything from picosecond to picosecond: He personally moves the planets along their orbits; He personally moves atoms and molecules during nuclear and chemical reactions.

Nothing is simply started up and left to run on its own in the Stripe Continuum.

Apparently, the only thing God doesn't do in the Stripe Continuum is intervene in human decision-making processes. In these cases, He lets the chips fall where they may. That's the only viable explanation for Stripe's life experiences.

[Sealeaf]

Originally Posted by Gerald

Give it up, Sealeaf!

Stripe flatly disagrees with, as far as I can tell, every aspect of modern scientific thought.

In the universe Stripe inhabits, God operates everything from picosecond to picosecond: He personally moves the planets along their orbits; He personally moves atoms and molecules during nuclear and chemical reactions.

Nothing is simply started up and left to run on its own in the Stripe Continuum.

Apparently, the only thing God doesn't do in the Stripe Continuum is intervene in human decision-making processes. In these cases, He lets the chips fall where they may. That's the only viable explanation for Stripe's life experiences.

What appals me is what cold ugly place he has made of his personal universe. It is graceless and full of anger and, I think, makes him in its image, needlessly rude and unpleasant.

[DavisBJ]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Atheists must explain the formation of planets and they do it from clouds.

Not just atheists. A whole lotta Christians, Hindus, and believers in hundreds of other religions believe in the planets forming from nebular clouds.

I don't see any way that could happen.

Now we are back to the idea in your OP. I hope we can stick to that – the question of whether physics allows planets to form from a nebula.

This is a discussion based on those terms. I'm not surprised that it quickly degenerates into debate over untestable initial conditions, but I will insist that your ideas be tested against planets we know to exist.

I wasn’t the one that brought up the need to explain how nebular clouds came to be. I look through a big telescope and see lots of nebular clouds. So they do exist. My interest is in looking at your OP question of the physics involved from there.

Yes, pressure will stop contraction at some point depending on the amount of mass available. And at that point you'll have a cold, lonely, non-rotating ball.

Might that “some point” be as a solid ball, like a cold, lonely, non-rotating planet?

[voltaire]

Not just Jupiter but the
whole solar system, the
whole Galaxy. It is a simple,
grand process. Clouds
coaless into stars and
planets. Stars age, slowly
becoming full of heavy
elements and eventually
nova into clouds again.
It is a beautiful dance.
Rather more slow motion
than humans can usually
appriciate but beautiful,
grand and perhaps even
holy.-----Sealeaf. Thats a nice little naturalistic fairytale that seems plausible to the brainwashed mind but the physics does not support it.

[voltaire]

In the universe Stripe
inhabits, God operates
everything from picosecond
to picosecond: He
personally moves the
planets along their orbits;
He personally moves atoms
and molecules during
nuclear and chemical
reactions.
Nothing is simply started
up and left to run on its
own in the Stripe
Continuum.
Apparently, the only thing
God doesn't do in the Stripe
Continuum is intervene in
human decision-making
processes. In these cases,
He lets the chips fall where
they may. That's the only
viable explanation for
Stripe's life experiences.
Wh----gerald.
This is absolutely false.

[voltaire]

Jupiter cannot have
coalesced from gas. The sun
drives gas away.------Stripe. No one has addressed this.

[fool]

Originally Posted by voltaire

Jupiter cannot have
coalesced from gas. The sun
drives gas away.------Stripe. No one has addressed this.

I did!

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Jupiter cannot have coalesced from gas. The sun drives gas away.



.

Stripe stakes a claim to another Nobel, this time in physics. Congratulations.

[voltaire]

I did!------Fool. Where?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by voltaire

Wh----gerald.
This is absolutely false.

I couldn't agree more, but what I posted appears to be a pretty accurate summation of what Stripe believes, based on long observation of his posting history.

(And I know that's not the way you meant it in your post, but that's how it fell out; proofreading is your friend... )

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Jukia

Stripe stakes a claim to another Nobel, this time in physics. Congratulations.

What others has he staked a claim on?

Chemistry? Physiology or Medicine? Economics? Literature?

[fool]

Originally Posted by voltaire

I did!------Fool. Where?

In the beginning.

[The Barbarian]

Jupiter cannot have coalesced from gas. The sun drives gas away.

Odd that we have gas on earth, then. Most of it was driven off by the sun, but the Earth is massive enough to hold heavier gases like nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.

Jupiter is both farther out, and more massive. So it can hold most of the gases that formed the cloud.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

Odd that we have gas on earth, then. Most of it was driven off by the sun, but the Earth is massive enough to hold heavier gases like nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.

That's baloney and you know it!

It's patently obvious that Earth's atmosphere is held in place by God's Own Hands!

Haven't you ever heard "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands"? Get with the program!