[godrulz]

Originally Posted by fool

Godrulz is a paramedic from Canada.

I am not a doctor nor an expert on everything. I believe the biblical truths on anthropology are as valid as the biological ones. Some issues require philosophical thinking, so the sciences have limitations (and not all science is good or accurate and opinions differ even with the same evidence).


Razorblades: using your logic, if I am attracted sexually to babies, I should go with the flow? Most have a standard relating to moral issues (even atheists), but fail to realize God's standards are higher (so, a homosexual may not be a pedophile, but both are wrong and against nature/against God in His holy eyes). The Creator knows better than His creation, especially due to the noetic effects of sin (our mind is dulled and we rationalize calling evil good and good evil...God is the objective, absolute standard, not our subjective feelings and whims).

[Ktoyou]

Originally Posted by Persephone66

Some background on me, in case you missed it, in case I haven't made it completely clear - I have conditions of both psychological and physiological androgyny.

What do you mean by this? Are you telling me you are physically part female, or genetically mixed? I do not believe you are inter-sexed. Had you been so, you would have received a medical classification, what are you claiming? If you had such a condition you would have a different story.

You have autogynephilia, nothing more.

[Skavau]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Huh? I love life to the fullest. A Christian can enjoy creation, sports, food, sex, etc. as much or more than an atheist. I also long to see Jesus, the One who loves me and died for me. My life is eternal, while unbelievers will forfeit it in favor of everlasting separation from God in torment.

Your pro-death redeemed by Jesus attitude speaks more volumes than this above does.

If you call dying from a drug overdose, getting AIDS, etc. 'life', go for it.

I don't.

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by Skavau

Your pro-death redeemed by Jesus attitude speaks more volumes than this above does.


I don't.

Death is considered an enemy, not a friend, in Scripture. However, Jesus is victor over death for the believer, so it has lost its sting. We make the most of this life and benefit from unending life, unlike unbelievers.

[ragTagblues]

Originally Posted by godrulz

Death is considered an enemy, not a friend, in Scripture. However, Jesus is victor over death for the believer, so it has lost its sting. We make the most of this life and benefit from unending life, unlike unbelievers.

This is a concept that I have always struggled with and not for want of study . . . .

Why would anyone want to live forever? Ok, lets take out the 'God' issue and say that we could be immortal living on this plain of existence . . . I would pass it up in theory. Although I may change my view if the offer actually ever gets made.

Anyway my point is why would you want to live forever?

[Skavau]

To be honest, I'd like to live forever. Mostly on the basis of preferring to exist than to not exist.

[agnostic_gnostic]

I have never understood this hatred and fixation on gays. My wife is brunette. I prefer brunettes. ( that was not the only reason I married her) Suppose there was some cultural prohibition against marring brunettes. One could only marry blonds. Hair color to me is as arbitrary as this obsession with genitalia. Let those that prefer blonds marry blonds and those that prefer brunettes marry brunettes.
Of course some will say that homosexuality is banned in the Bible. However, it also bans Beefaloes * and owning a shirt that is made of different types of fiber. Can anyone tell me why gay behavior is evil? Simply saying that your interpretation of Biblical scripture is evidence is not a reason. For example, I know that murder is evil even without a Bible. Simply saying," it says right here that X is evil" is not an explanation of why it is evil.
To say that it is unnatural is not the same as saying that it is evil. Cancer is natural. Medicine is unnatural. Something being natural has nothing ( pro or con) to do with its being evil or good.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefalo

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by ragTagblues

This is a concept that I have always struggled with and not for want of study . . . .

Why would anyone want to live forever? Ok, lets take out the 'God' issue and say that we could be immortal living on this plain of existence . . . I would pass it up in theory. Although I may change my view if the offer actually ever gets made.

Anyway my point is why would you want to live forever?

I Cor. 2:9

Those who know and love God want to experience His glory forever. Time/eternity will be more quality than quantity. There is a vast universe, creation, relationships, etc. to explore and experience.

We don't want to live forever as grumpy old men with decaying bodies, but if the best days of our lives (we don't watch the clock in boredom) never end, why not?

The reality is that all will live forever. There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun. You underestimate the greatness and goodness of God and what He has prepared for those who love Him. Many baby boomers are trying to find the fountain of youth and don't want to die or become old.

Conversely, why do atheists seem content to be born, work, sleep, eat, drink, be merry, then die like a dog for a long dirt nap? You are getting ripped off. Suicide does not end it all. There will be consequence for our choices in this life. There is pleasure in sin for a season, but the end is death. There is a better way that we cannot even fathom.

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by Skavau

To be honest, I'd like to live forever. Mostly on the basis of preferring to exist than to not exist.

Most people will admit that life/existence is better to non-existence despite potential evil, suffering, etc. Even godless people can imagine great things to do forever if one is not painfully aware of time passing or bodies failing. Paradise would be worth living forever, but this present state of affairs, not so much.

Regardless of our preferences, Kurt Cobain, et al, we don't have a choice. Once we are conceived, God will not destroy the everlasting spirit/creation of man, but there are two possible destinies (conscious in both places despite what JWs, etc. teach). Oh, Rob Bell's new book that sounds universalistic (everyone ends up in heaven) is also false teaching.

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by agnostic_gnostic

I have never understood this hatred and fixation on gays. My wife is brunette. I prefer brunettes. ( that was not the only reason I married her) Suppose there was some cultural prohibition against marring brunettes. One could only marry blonds. Hair color to me is as arbitrary as this obsession with genitalia. Let those that prefer blonds marry blonds and those that prefer brunettes marry brunettes.
Of course some will say that homosexuality is banned in the Bible. However, it also bans Beefaloes * and owning a shirt that is made of different types of fiber. Can anyone tell me why gay behavior is evil? Simply saying that your interpretation of Biblical scripture is evidence is not a reason. For example, I know that murder is evil even without a Bible. Simply saying," it says right here that X is evil" is not an explanation of why it is evil.
To say that it is unnatural is not the same as saying that it is evil. Cancer is natural. Medicine is unnatural. Something being natural has nothing ( pro or con) to do with its being evil or good.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefalo

Absolutes based on God's character and Word trump your relativistic musings.

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-hates-shrimp.html

Does God hate shrimp? Why arguments against pork are not an argument against homosexuality as sin.

Hair color is genetic and morally neutral. Homosexuality is not genetic/amoral, but volitional/moral, contrary to God's Law and creation mandate (Adam/Eve vs Adam/Steve).

Same sex attraction is real, but not righteous. Using your logic, pedophilia and bestiality are as legit as heterosexuality. If you reject these things, it just shows that you have standards, but that they are lower than a holy, perfect God's standards (which strongly condemns homosexuality for good vs arbitrary reasons).

Gay genetically vs lifestyle is a militant agenda/lie to normalize deviancy and justify sin. It is not backed up by Scripture nor true science.

We are also not singling out homosexuality, since heterosexual sin, abortion, gluttony, gossip, lying, stealing, etc. are also moral issues. The real question is faith vs unbelief, receiving or rejecting the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 1:16; I Cor. 1:18; Jn. 3:16). God does not lie, so the gay agenda is the one from the enemy of our souls, Satan.

[Persephone66]

Originally Posted by godrulz

What makes you think you have a genetic or hormonal problem?

The fact that I do have a problem makes me think that. Go back and read the OP. Try reading it after a course in Hooked On Phonics, you desperately need it.

Even so, with God's help and grace, your will can overcome these things.

I grew to accept who and what I am a long time ago without your god.

You may still have same-sex attraction, but you can choose to not act on it physically.

I can do that without your god, I did it for a long time.

God can also change desires, but you must come as you are in helplessness and surrender to Him.

And drug myself up enough to think he exists. Disregard all logic and reason as well, right? Helplessness and surrender? I'd rather die.

Even if you continue to struggle, you can still obey and journey to wholeness and normality.

Between you and Nick M, you have only given me every reason not to follow your god, even if I thought that he just might has some remote chance of being real. You are not in any sense alive. You are dead and too blind and stupid to realize it.

I doubt this will help you understand.

I'm alive

Originally Posted by fool

Godrulz is a paramedic from Canada.

Well there's a reason not to go to Canada.

[Mr.Razorblades]

Godrulz you really, really fail at critical thinking, you know that. Let's break this down to derp derp terms for you.

Originally Posted by godrulz

Razorblades: using your logic, if I am attracted sexually to babies, I should go with the flow?

Does your hypothetical meandering into nonsense harm another individual? In this case, yes it does. So no, if you are born in a way to where you're sexually attracted to babies and you have the capacity for reasoning then you should get help to prevent you from trying to fulfill your desires. Why you may ask? BECAUSE IT HARMS ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. Homosexuality is the participation between two consensual individuals. Can you slam that information into your dense head.

Originally Posted by godrulz

Most have a standard relating to moral issues (even atheists), but fail to realize God's standards are higher (so, a homosexual may not be a pedophile, but both are wrong and against nature/against God in His holy eyes).

I'm sorry you don't see this. If your god's standards are so high then why do the organisms on this planet that can kill you, liquefy you, starve you, etc, far outnumber humans? Why is approximately only 1.25-1.5% of this planet hospitable to humans? Yeah, your god's "standards" are high alright.

Originally Posted by godrulz

The Creator knows better than His creation, especially due to the noetic effects of sin (our mind is dulled and we rationalize calling evil good and good evil...God is the objective, absolute standard, not our subjective feelings and whims).

You're still not seeing what absolute garbage that argument is. You are far, far, far down the rabbit hole.

[Persephone66]

Originally Posted by Ktoyou

What do you mean by this? Are you telling me you are physically part female, or genetically mixed? I do not believe you are inter-sexed. Had you been so, you would have received a medical classification, what are you claiming? If you had such a condition you would have a different story.

You have autogynephilia, nothing more.

I've lived in this body all my days, and that's longer than I care to admit to. I think I know what's going on with it.

Just the same, I'm pretty well aware of what happened in my life.

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by El DLo

So that's it then? Plenty of people choose not to reproduce. By your definition, their relationships are impractical. Equally impractical as two biological males being in a relationship, except that it's accepted. In my fictional world where you're "wrong" for being heterosexual, you would sooner force yourself to do what is acceptable and live a life of unhappiness than doing what is considered irregular and being happy? And I know people would be quick to jump in and say "I would be happy because I would have God", but ignore God in this case. Whether you're the most religious Christian or the most apathetic Atheist, you have urges. Faith that suppressing those urges now will result in eternal happiness later won't effectively remove the fact that you're not happy being who you are, so look at this objectively.

Try rational and logical discourse next time.

Originally Posted by Persephone66

Did your upbringing involve you having a hormone problem?

Didn't everyone's?

I tried what society labeled as normal, it didn't work for me.

I'm not hoping for you to be normal as defined by society.

[godrulz]

The Word of God is truth, so I am safe to not believe the lies and rationalizations of sinful men who have a darkened understanding. 'If it does not hurt anyone or is consensual' is not a moral, ethical argument, just pragmatism.