[red cardinal]

Originally Posted by unknown

I see you skip the main part of my text by asking a question about a thief.

Why? Nothing to say there at all? Then I must be correct or you should refute it.

The thief on the cross next to Jesus did not love his neighbor, yet he was saved, per Jesus. So if he was not in "community" being saved through loving others as you have posited, then was Jesus in error?

RE: Pentecost

Are you blind?

There is plenty of info on the net about this, do you own search if you care.

The information on the net is correct - this is what Jews believe, but it's not in the Bible.

The NT was written in Greek, so to use a Greek word, which is termed "50 days" or Pentecost [referring to the feast that the Jews kept and why they came to Jerusalem] is just terminology, not theology You were aware that the Jews of the first century spoke Greek?

[csuguy]

No, you don't have to attend church services regularly to be saved. However, a good church IS vital for spiritual growth and well being. Even if you don't attend one, if you are dedicated to Christ's teachings and commands then you will end up forming one. Churches are an inevitable result of Christ's teachings and commands put into practice. Though, of course, the church can be informal and at people's houses and such.

Not going to the established church services may serve you better than attending them. What good does it do you to attend a dead church? Perhaps you can help to revive it - but usually revivals need to come from without of the establishment rather than within.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by red cardinal

The thief on the cross next to Jesus did not love his neighbor, yet he was saved, per Jesus. So if he was not in "community" being saved through loving others as you have posited, then was Jesus in error?

Still with your question about the thief eh? There are 2 accounts of that event.........


Matthew's account :

Matthew 27:39-44 39And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads, 40And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, 42He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. 43He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. 44The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Luke's account

Luke 23:39-44 39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. 44And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

First, I will say the NT is not a reliable source as evidenced here. Too many people have doctored it too many times.

Both thieves in Matthews account mocked Jesus and perished, In Luke's Account the difference is that one thief rebuked the other for his harsh words. This was the action that saved him. You make salvation sound like a crap shoot. Do you not believe God is Just? The second thief in Luke's account took no action (other than to mock) and was not saved. Further, we are never told if the thief that was saved actually believed in Jesus and had faith or not.

I understand your "belief is all I need" theology. You are not alone, many are convinced if they believe in the name of Jesus they will be saved. Jesus is an Hispanic name, it came from JeZues Krysto. I say there is more to it than you believe.

Originally Posted by red cardinal

The information on the net is correct - this is what Jews believe, but it's not in the Bible.

The NT was written in Greek, so to use a Greek word, which is termed "50 days" or Pentecost [referring to the feast that the Jews kept and why they came to Jerusalem] is just terminology, not theology You were aware that the Jews of the first century spoke Greek?

yes I already gave you links to that info. Do you not realize that the disciples were Jews and that Shavuot was established long before their time? The article on Shavuot says it is not explicit in the bible, no surprise there. You actually have to think about some things. (unless, that goes against your religion).


This is where I get off. you ignored my question. You do not deserve my time. You have as much free will as the rest of us, believe whatever you like.