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April 13th, 2011, 02:35 PM
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Funny how eyewitnesses to the resurrection . . .
. . . I'm going to break some really horrible news to you gr . . . but the Bible doesn't record ANY eye-witnesses to the resurrection . . . NONE.
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. . . (to the point of going from fear to being willing to die for their beliefs) . . .
. . . two words . . . TWIN TOWERS . . . ever heard of them? There are now millions of Muslims out there happy to have you as a proponent and verifier of their religion.
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. . . must be seeing things, but eyewitnesses to Nero burning Christians as torches is accepted without question.
. . . there's a big DIFFERENCE between someone being raised from the dead and someone burning a "Christian" . . . one is believable to have happened because it isn't contrary to human experience . . . the other . . . not so much . . .
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Both are historically verifiable, but preconceived ideas must negate the credibility of witnesses (despite mass hallucination being impossible, etc.).
. . . there's nothing "preconceived" about human experience . . .
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The Pharisees could not dispute the miracles of Jesus, but they attributed them to Satan vs God.
. . . this would be you attempting to prove the Bible by using the Bible to prove itself . . . that's called circular reasoning.
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The healed blind men, etc. knew they now could see as did their friends and family.
. . . and again . . .
"The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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April 13th, 2011, 02:44 PM
Hi Godrulz... Once I looked up at the stars and tried to imagine a huge living God far away ... now I know where to find him... and I don't have to look far at all.
Some people see, but they are actually blind. That's too bad. Enjoy reading your posts.
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April 13th, 2011, 02:47 PM
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(what eye witnesses?)
they have taken the lord was one of the first thoughts! written to be said mary when she went to the tomb an found no body, she had missed doing those things that they once did to prepare loved ones for the eternal sleep.
set scene..
AFTER WATCHING HIS life DIstroyed AN SEEING THE POWER OF HATE at WORK chastening him, AN HEARING HIS LAST WORDS, my God My God why have you forsaken me....
Justtell me what youwantme to criticize! I want you to be happy<.
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April 13th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Our God is a long suffering God ... and I believe that we actually do cause him to suffer daily ... but God puts up with us ... waiting until the time is right to fill his kingdom with his children.
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April 13th, 2011, 03:18 PM
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Our God is a long suffering God ... and I believe that we actually do cause him to suffer daily ... but God puts up with us ... waiting until the time is right to fill his kingdom with his children.
. . . "long suffering" doesn't mean "to suffer a long time" . . . it means "to be patient."
"The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."
Blind or some are seeing a totally different delusion perhaps.
It's interesting that the main witness for the empty tomb story was Mary Magdalene and she had serious mental problems.
Mark 16:9 (New American Standard Bible)
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
The other women associated with Jesus also had mental problems.
Luke 8:1-2 (New American Standard Bible)
Soon afterwards, He began going around from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God. The twelve were with Him, and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out,
A woman who had "seven demons" would probably be diagnosed as being mentally unfit in our day and age.
Women with "evil spirits" would also be judged to be mental cases.
IMO, Mary Magdalene and the other women probably got very upset when Jesus was crucified and their fragile mental state caused them to have delusions.
It is truly pointless to argue with people of the Atheist faith, their hostile state of mind is anything but open to enlightenment. Most former atheist describe an unteachable state of egotism wherein nothing could penetrate. When they eventually become dissatisfied with the dead self, they can then become open to Gods grace.
1:6.4 The prepersonal divine spirit which indwells the mortal mind carries, in its very presence, the valid proof of its actual existence, but the concept of the divine personality can be grasped only by the spiritual insight of genuine personal religious experience. Any person, human or divine, may be known and comprehended quite apart from the external reactions or the material presence of that person.
1:6.5 Some degree of moral affinity and spiritual harmony is essential to friendship between two persons; a loving personality can hardly reveal himself to a loveless person. Even to approach the knowing of a divine personality, all of man's personality endowments must be wholly consecrated to the effort; halfhearted, partial devotion will be unavailing.
1:6.6 The more completely man understands himself and appreciates the personality values of his fellows, the more he will crave to know the Original Personality, and the more earnestly such a God-knowing human will strive to become like the Original Personality. You can argue over opinions about God, but experience with him and in him exists above and beyond all human controversy and mere intellectual logic. The God-knowing man describes his spiritual experiences, not to convince unbelievers, but for the edification and mutual satisfaction of believers.
1:6.7 To assume that the universe can be known, that it is intelligible, is to assume that the universe is mind made and personality managed. Man's mind can only perceive the mind phenomena of other minds, be they human or superhuman. If man's personality can experience the universe, there is a divine mind and an actual personality somewhere concealed in that universe.
It is truly pointless to argue with people of the Atheist faith, their hostile state of mind is anything but open to enlightenment. Most former atheist describe an unteachable state of egotism wherein nothing could penetrate. When they eventually become dissatisfied with the dead self, they can then become open to Gods grace.
1:6.4 The prepersonal divine spirit which indwells the mortal mind carries, in its very presence, the valid proof of its actual existence, but the concept of the divine personality can be grasped only by the spiritual insight of genuine personal religious experience. Any person, human or divine, may be known and comprehended quite apart from the external reactions or the material presence of that person.
1:6.5 Some degree of moral affinity and spiritual harmony is essential to friendship between two persons; a loving personality can hardly reveal himself to a loveless person. Even to approach the knowing of a divine personality, all of man's personality endowments must be wholly consecrated to the effort; halfhearted, partial devotion will be unavailing.
1:6.6 The more completely man understands himself and appreciates the personality values of his fellows, the more he will crave to know the Original Personality, and the more earnestly such a God-knowing human will strive to become like the Original Personality. You can argue over opinions about God, but experience with him and in him exists above and beyond all human controversy and mere intellectual logic. The God-knowing man describes his spiritual experiences, not to convince unbelievers, but for the edification and mutual satisfaction of believers.
1:6.7 To assume that the universe can be known, that it is intelligible, is to assume that the universe is mind made and personality managed. Man's mind can only perceive the mind phenomena of other minds, be they human or superhuman. If man's personality can experience the universe, there is a divine mind and an actual personality somewhere concealed in that universe.
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Christians preach that the Holy Spirit is in them and guides them.
I disagree! The evidence does not support this view.
The prisons are full of Christians.
Christian Churches disagree on many theological issues. Jesus promised one shepherd, and one flock. But the world has thousands of flocks.
Look at the history of Christianity. millions of Heretics, Jews, Atheists, and Homosexuals were murdered.
Millions of Catholics were murdered by Protestants and visa versa.
Science and Technology which improve the lives of people, were suppressed.
Books were burned.
Look at the dismal record of Christianity. Christians claim the Holy Spirit in them is responsible to guide their conduct. Can we believe this based on the evidence?
Our God is a long suffering God ... and I believe that we actually do cause him to suffer daily ... but God puts up with us ... waiting until the time is right to fill his kingdom with his children.
Cobblers, your God is omnipotent apparently which means that unless He wants to suffer He simply doesn't because He can do and be anything at all.
Why any one entity should just simply be omnipotent is quite absurd imo and another rather good reason to not believe in such a being.
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April 13th, 2011, 05:32 PM
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It is truly pointless to argue with people of the Atheist faith, their hostile state of mind is anything but open to enlightenment. Most former atheist describe an unteachable state of egotism wherein nothing could penetrate. When they eventually become dissatisfied with the dead self, they can then become open to Gods grace.
1:6.4 The prepersonal divine spirit which indwells the mortal mind carries, in its very presence, the valid proof of its actual existence, but the concept of the divine personality can be grasped only by the spiritual insight of genuine personal religious experience. Any person, human or divine, may be known and comprehended quite apart from the external reactions or the material presence of that person.
1:6.5 Some degree of moral affinity and spiritual harmony is essential to friendship between two persons; a loving personality can hardly reveal himself to a loveless person. Even to approach the knowing of a divine personality, all of man's personality endowments must be wholly consecrated to the effort; halfhearted, partial devotion will be unavailing.
1:6.6 The more completely man understands himself and appreciates the personality values of his fellows, the more he will crave to know the Original Personality, and the more earnestly such a God-knowing human will strive to become like the Original Personality. You can argue over opinions about God, but experience with him and in him exists above and beyond all human controversy and mere intellectual logic. The God-knowing man describes his spiritual experiences, not to convince unbelievers, but for the edification and mutual satisfaction of believers.
1:6.7 To assume that the universe can be known, that it is intelligible, is to assume that the universe is mind made and personality managed. Man's mind can only perceive the mind phenomena of other minds, be they human or superhuman. If man's personality can experience the universe, there is a divine mind and an actual personality somewhere concealed in that universe.
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April 13th, 2011, 05:33 PM
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Patience works for me... I know he is being patient with you too.
. . . I'm not particularly worried about it.
"The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."
(what eye witnesses?)
. . . I'm not particularly worried about it.
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