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Water Baptism? Anabaptists? -
April 22nd, 2011, 05:04 PM
Anabaptists, most of whom followed the teachings of a catholic priest named menno simons, believed that water baptism was not for new born babes but for those who had been previously baptized in, of, by and thru The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit? Seems they are liken unto impetuous Peter who declared, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Spirit as well as we? And Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of The Messiah." "Any man forbid"? And since when was Peter the commander? Especially since only "The Good News for the circumcised was committed unto Peter".
What of "water baptism", why is it that so many seek to follow all that can be observed "outwardly" to the letter? Is that not but the legacy of the pharisee's?
Truth IS water baptism was for the Israelites who were yet under the authority of the old covenant, for the Israelites had been "baptized into Moses in the cloud and the sea", and so the need for the "baptism of repentance", the outward testimony of turning from the sacrificial system that was of the law given Moses for a "disobedient and gainsaying people", a turning(repenting) from the sacrificial system given Moses unto The Promised Messiah for the forgiveness of sin.
The thief on the cross was the first to realize The Good News of The New Covenant! And all that was needed was "the washing of water by The Word", immersion in, of and by The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit.
"By Grace you are saved thru Faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of GOD"!
And Paul saw no need for the gentiles to be baptized in water for he testified, "The Messiah sent me not to baptize but to preach The Good News", the same Good News that the thief on the cross received. As for the three, and the family of one of them, that Paul did baptize, nowhere is it stated they were heathens and not natural jews.
It was as Paul testified, for the uncirumcised there is "one baptism"(Eph 4:5), yet for the circumcised?
The letter to the Hebrews(6:2) bears witness to "baptism's"!
As for the pagan catholic/christian/anabaptist belief concerning a man being "born of water and of Spirit"?
John 3:3-7 "The Messiah answered and said unto him, "Truly, truly, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he cannot see The Kingdom of GOD".
(4)Nicodemus said unto Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born"?
(5)The Messiah answered, "Truly, Truly, I say unto you, "Except a man be born of water and of The Spirit, he cannot enter into The Kingdom of GOD.
(6)That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of The Spirit is Spirit.
(7)Marvel not that I said unto you, Ye must be born again."
Verses 5 and 6 speak of The Truth concerning water baptism. Quite clear that the Messiah was referring too a man's birth from the water filled womb of a woman when He testified, "Except a man be born of water"! For "that which is born of the flesh is flesh " refers to a man's natural birth, not "water baptism" as practiced by pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters!
Thing is that everything that could be considered "outward observation(a pharisaical trait)", that which can be fulfilled in and of the flesh and fleshly mind, is divisive! And oh, how the multitudes flock to systems of religion that are of, and in the flesh, and the fleshly emotions of the mind. The anabaptist(mennonite) youth of today are a sad example, for their "born again" emotional experiences but allows them to enter into the domain of emotional salvation ;-(
Yet, when it comes to forsaking all?
Sadly, the anabaptists took heed unto the catholic priests who led them along "the broad way to destruction". Not that the martyrs of Martyr's Mirror part II were damned, for their Faith was demonstrated in Overcoming Power and not water baptism, however, today's anabaptists are but a fleshly, pharisaical side-show. In fact the only "reformer" of times past who saw that catholicism and her harlot christian daughters were totally and completely of, and in the flesh, was a man name of George Fox. He was a man who sought only that which was Spirit and Truth. No question concerning his Baptism in, of and by The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit. Sadly, he accepted the praises of men and began to establish naught but another system of religion. The quakers(friends) of today bear witness to what happens when mankind makes any attempt to systematize that which is of The Spirit. Sadly The Spirit is quenched as mankind seeks to organize and control his only hope for True Liberty, "The Glorious Liberty of The Children of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL", which simply defined is:
"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!
For as The Messiah did, so also His Brethren realize "i can do nothing of mine own self".......
And so as mankind quenches The Spirit, they rely on their "imag"ination, and so it is that "time" becomes one of the most important factors in their temporal life ;-( And today we see most of mankind but serving 'time' in the prison that is this wicked, evil world. All for the sake of the m-o-n-e-y that can give them the desire of their hearts, "ease of life" ;-(
Sadly, all who serve "time" experience naught but a "shadow of life", pleasing to the flesh at times, yet the end result being separation from Their Father(Creator), HE WHO IS The Spirit that gave them life, and yet sustains the life given until they draw their last breath(which is spirit) ;-(
And then?
Sadder yet, for while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
Yet come that last breath?
Multitudes of those who profess a belief in The Messiah will hear those woe-filled words, "depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity" ;-(
It is well to remember that The Messiah testified, "The words that I speak are not My words, they are the words of The Father, HE WHO sent Me"!
And The Messiah testified, "I can do nothing of mine own self".......
And Our Father, HE WHO Created all things of, by and thru The Messiah?
HE CAN DO!
The focus of The Messiah was on His G-D and Father, HE WHO IS also The G-D and Father of The Messiah's Brethren, HE WHO IS The ONE and Only True G-D, Father(Creator) of ALL.......
And the focus of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters?
Sadly, on their "imag"ined 'jesus christ', one head of their "imag"ined three headed pagan catholic g-d ;-(
There is but "One Baptism(Spiritual), and Only ONE True G-D, Father(Creator) of ALL".......
Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion, for what are "Brothers and Sisters" if not Family?
And would not The Family of Faith be closer than a natural, physical family?
No you say? Why then are men called upon to "forsake all", their natural families as well?
"Come Out of her, MY people"!
Come Out of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world and especially it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1JN5:19)
Truth IS, a lie never was and is not.......
Abide in Truth....... francis
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Last edited by derowr; April 22nd, 2011 at 05:11 PM.
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Water baptism was immersion for the sake of "washing sins" and cleansing. From the time of John the Baptist and before. The Christian tradition incls. a faith commitment to Jesus in name. Or, it should. The mistakes are thus: to commit is impossible if the age of the baptizee is too young. 2) The trinitarian "name" which is not at all stated in the Bible.
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"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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April 22nd, 2011, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by excuzme
Water baptism was immersion for the sake of "washing sins" and cleansing. From the time of John the Baptist and before. The Christian tradition incls. a faith commitment to Jesus in name. Or, it should. The mistakes are thus: to commit is impossible if the age of the baptizee is too young. 2) The trinitarian "name" which is not at all stated in the Bible.
Simply there is but "One Baptism", not the baptism of John which was for the natural jew but The Baptism of Spirit and Fire received and experienced by the brethren of The Messiah!
Sadly, your response but proves you are still held captive by the strong delusion that is pagan catholic/christian folklore ;-(
Even if I was wrong and you right, I am not "captive."
I have been baptized in water twice, once in the trinitarian name and once in Jesus' name. I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and then knew that God is near to me in the real and loving sense. And I have been baptized in a river in Monterrey, MX trying to wrestle a drowning boy out of the depths.
It is all one baptism. But even if not, the Bible showed no ill effects for those undergoing the water baptism.
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"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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April 22nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by excuzme
Even if I was wrong and you right, I am not "captive."
I have been baptized in water twice, once in the trinitarian name and once in Jesus' name. I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and then knew that God is near to me in the real and loving sense. And I have been baptized in a river in Monterrey, MX trying to wrestle a drowning boy out of the depths.
It is all one baptism. But even if not, the Bible showed no ill effects for those undergoing the water baptism.
Sadly, your three baptisms in one will avail you naught ;-(
The Messiah testified, "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved"!
Simply there is but "One Baptism", not the baptism of John which was for the natural jew but The Baptism of Spirit and Fire received and experienced by the brethren of The Messiah!
Sadly, your response but proves you are still held captive by the strong delusion that is pagan catholic/christian folklore ;-(
Yo dude, I got on your special revelation website and got maybe 10% thru it.
What the heck kind of baptism are YOU talking about? Think because you went out into the wilderness with a Jap pickup on yore back you know the key to life?
Millions of hermits preceded you. Tell me what revelation you got, and I'll tell you if it is the same one as Sun Myung Moon.
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"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
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April 23rd, 2011, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by excuzme
Yo dude, I got on your special revelation website and got maybe 10% thru it.
What the heck kind of baptism are YOU talking about? Think because you went out into the wilderness with a Jap pickup on yore back you know the key to life?
Millions of hermits preceded you. Tell me what revelation you got, and I'll tell you if it is the same one as Sun Myung Moon.
Your own words bear witness to the spirit that holds you captive!
Simply sad for you ;-(
Yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles do happen.......
Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving "the love of The Truth" for they will take heed unto The Call of The ONE and Only True Living GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL too "Come Out of her, MY people"!
They will come out of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world, and especially it's systems of religion!
And they will experience Peace in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked, evil world, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1John5:19)
Your own words bear witness to the spirit that holds you captive!
Simply sad for you ;-(
Yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles do happen.......
Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving "the love of The Truth" for they will take heed unto The Call of The ONE and Only True Living GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL too "Come Out of her, MY people"!
They will come out of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world, and especially it's systems of religion!
And they will experience Peace in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked, evil world, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1John5:19)
Truth IS, a lie never was and is not.......
Abide in Truth....... francis
asimpleandspirituallife.org
Well yore the third person in 24 hours which said I got demons or am at least "held captive" I assume from the Truth. Maybe I should just quit and go home.
Did it ever occur to you that yore nirvana experience has little to do with the sproutings coming from yore mouth?
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"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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April 23rd, 2011, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by excuzme
Well yore the third person in 24 hours which said I got demons or am at least "held captive" I assume from the Truth. Maybe I should just quit and go home.
Did it ever occur to you that yore nirvana experience has little to do with the sproutings coming from yore mouth?
i have been given the unction to share that which i have "seen(experienced) and heard(received)".
i have graciously received "the love of The Truth" and "experienced The Messiah and The Power that raised Him from among the dead"!
Did it ever occure to you that pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters are having their way with you?
So it is that i am simply sad for you ;-(
For religion but carries on the legacy of the pharisee's!
Faith will not create a religion, for Faith IS Family!
Your own words reveal that my Father is not yours.......
So it is that i am simply sad for you ;-(
I ast you a question and you are just saying my dad ain't as good as yours. I already got that insinulation 25 posts ago.
My dad is BETTER than yours, take that. What do you think now? Tell me one thing which makes your dad better than mine. And stop being so sad, I'm gonna start crying.
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