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Jesus was not on the throne until He had overcome.
Overcoming is something a man does.
Overcoming is something no man can do, for there are none righteous...which is why our Lord needed to come down from heaven and do it for us. How did Jesus overcome the world?
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
He defeated sin by not sinning.
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
He defeated death by raising from the dead.
The only way man can overcome is to be born again by placing his faith in the One who overcame. Justification by Faith.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1 John 5:4-5
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
The precedent in scripture is that of Joseph becoming lord (master) over all men of the Kingdom but still lesser to Pharoah in the throne itself.
Read Rev.chs 4 and 5 for the similar truths.
Where is your precedent in scripture for a God coming down from Heaven to be a little baby?
None.
Those are but types and shadows of what was to come.
A prophet speaking by inspiration of God, which is clear for anyone with and ear to hear.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 20th, 2012, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Overcoming is something no man can do, for there are none righteous...which is why our Lord needed to come down from heaven and do it for us. How did Jesus overcome the world?
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
He defeated sin by not sinning.
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
He defeated death by raising from the dead.
The only way man can overcome is to be born again by placing his faith in the One who overcame. Justification by Faith.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1 John 5:4-5
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
And why would God have all of creation bowing before a man and confessing a man as Lord?
Creation was done through the spirit that was in this man. This man gave his life so that we may have life. That is why his God made him Lord of all creation.
Son of God, son of man now is Lord of All. Made so by his God.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Apple you would take the verse "He wept" and call it a trinity verse.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Creation was done through the spirit that was in this man. This man gave his life so that we may have life. That is why his God made him Lord of all creation.
Son of God, son of man now is Lord of All. Made so by his God.
You remind me of Muslims, pops.
You cannot mention God without also mentioning Jesus.
Likewise, they cannot mention their Allah without also mentioning Muhammad.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 20th, 2012, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Apple7
You remind me of Muslims, pops.
You cannot mention God without also mentioning Jesus.
Likewise, they cannot mention their Allah without also mentioning Muhammad.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 20th, 2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Apple7
Therefore Jesus is God.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Creation was done through the spirit that was in this man. This man gave his life so that we may have life. That is why his God made him Lord of all creation.
Son of God, son of man now is Lord of All. Made so by his God.
He's from the beginning....Do you see Him?
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:2-3
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. John 1:14
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
LA
There's quite a difference between the two men, wouldn't you agree?
1 Co. 15:45-47
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 21st, 2012, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
There's quite a difference between the two men, wouldn't you agree?
1 Co. 15:45-47
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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