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Solar Cooling Imperils Global Warming - June 15th, 2011, 11:23 AM

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“The solar cycle may be going into a hiatus,” Frank Hill, associate director of the National Solar Observatory’s Solar Synoptic Network, said in a news briefing….
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In the meantime, it’s worth considering the implications for climate and energy policy of a possible protracted downturn in the flow of energy to the Earth.
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ate-action/?hp



   
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June 15th, 2011, 12:06 PM

Burn more gasoline!



   
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June 15th, 2011, 01:02 PM

No way....we are far more powerful than some puny star.





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June 15th, 2011, 01:29 PM

Jesus said that there would be signs in the Sun harbingering His Coming Lk 21:25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.





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June 15th, 2011, 01:46 PM

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Now way....we are far more powerful than some puny star.
The Sun





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June 15th, 2011, 05:17 PM

Old news. We just went through a sunspot minimum, which did have a cooling effect on the Earth. IIRC, we had essentially no sunspots in 2008. But it wasn't enough to reverse the trend of warming.

Seems to have been more active lately:
http://spaceweathermonitor.wordpress...e-to-sunspots/

“SOLAR RADIO STORM: Did you know sunspots can make noise? Consider the following: “Over the past few days, I have been recording a sustained solar radio storm at 180 MHz,” reports amateur radio astronomer Thomas Ashcraft of New Mexico. “It consists of Type I radio bursts and sounds like ocean surf. Here is an audio sample from March 27th at 1930 UT. The sun seems to be entering a new phase of dynamism.”

Radio emissions like these are caused by plasma instabilities in the sun’s atmosphere above sunspots. With the sun becoming ‘radio-active,’ it’s no coincidence that sunspots are emerging in abundance. Leading the way is behemoth active region AR1176, shown here in a photo taken yesterday by Larry Alvarez of Flower Mound, Texas:

http://earthwatchnews.com/sun-spots-increasing/

If we have a prolonged shutdown that might be good news. Something like the Maunder Minimum might blunt much of the present warming trend.





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June 15th, 2011, 05:26 PM

The biggest mistake folks could have made was popularizing the phrase "global warming" when "climate change" is, you know, more accurate.

It doesn't sound like this'll off-set any damage we may have caused, though. Interesting stuff.





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The biggest mistake folks could have made was popularizing the phrase "global warming" when "climate change" is, you know, more accurate.

It doesn't sound like this'll off-set any damage we may have caused, though. Interesting stuff.
Certainly "climate change" has the advantage of being less precise and therefore more amenable to a wider range of observed meteorological phenomenon. The climate is always changing.

On the other hand, if the purpose is to make scientific predictions that can be tested...



   
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June 15th, 2011, 05:37 PM

No, see, here's what's gonna happen: the equatorial parts continue to heat up while the poles cool down rapidly. All the moisture that evaporates into the air from the tropics, migrates to the poles and form unending blizzards that jump start a new ice age. The P.O.ed polar bears who almost went extinct charge down on ice flows to turn those of us left after the food chain collapses from lack of honeybees and what crops are left being decimated by the insects the now-extinct bats didn't eat, into ursine Happy Meals.


I wish Jesus would hurry up and get here.





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On the other hand, if the purpose is to make scientific predictions that can be tested...
...we can always point to James Hansen predicting the warming trend ten years in advance. Not bad.



The reason he nailed it so closely, is that his halfway scenario included one major volcanic eruption, which is exactly what we got. In fact, he had no way of effectively predicting that, so he just averaged it out, and supposed there might be one. Hence the remarkably good fit between his prediction and the result.





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...we can always point to James Hansen...
http://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/200...lobal-warming/

http://bittooth.blogspot.com/2009/11...e-subject.html

And etc.



   
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June 15th, 2011, 06:40 PM

Bubba, you've been had by a bait-and-switch. The "lower tropospheric" temps are not the same as the surface level temps (thats the data shown and accurately predicted by Hansen)

So why are the deniers using lower tropospheric data instead of the real thing?

Because there was a change in the way the data was collected, and this artificially shifted the data. The resulting skew was just too tempting to resist, and they figured most of their followers wouldn't be smart enough to know the difference. Basically, the data was collected by weather balloons using sensors which were initially not shielded from sunlight. Later, they were shielded to remove that source of error (they need to measure atmospheric temperature), and the raw data therefore showed a decline in temps.

Here's a graphic of the data from satellites which are not subject to that error.



BTW, the warming model Hansen used to predict the trend a decade in advance shows that lower atmospheric warming should result in cooling in the stratosphere.

And that's what we see.
(edit: Trophosphere is the layer below the stratosphere)





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The "lower tropospheric" temps are not the same as the surface level temps...
And temperature predictions are not the same as predictions about a relationship between carbon and temperature.

On and on it goes.



   
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And temperature predictions are not the same as predictions about a relationship between carbon and temperature.
Carbon emissions were the basis for Hansen's prediction. In fact, the three scenarios are based on differing levels of carbon emissions.



Notice the temps follow CO2 levels.

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