toldailytopic: Same-sex marriage: for it, or against it?
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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June 20th, 2011, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Granite
I see, so any child not raised by two parents/guardians of some kind is somehow damaged goods?
They would be statistically better off with two parents
What is this, rocket science?
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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June 20th, 2011, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Town Heretic
The law establishes the rule and its interest is in equity.
Now make a case that a homosexual couple and a heterosexual couple are equivalent in the sense being discussed (procreation).
I fully admit that if you view procreation as superfluous (and an argument could be made) then the youtube video wouldn't be convincing.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
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Try to be civil in the face of incivility. This is a test.
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June 20th, 2011, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by zippy2006
But you miss the base of the point. The government is concerned with society and the incorporation of new members, which is precisely why it is interested in marriage, both procreatively and as a means for a stable family.
The government must enforce it's laws equitably. Opportunity to choose one's life style and enjoy protection and rights generated by the law must be available to all citizens, that is, adults able to consent or not.
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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June 20th, 2011, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bybee
The government must enforce it's laws equitably. Opportunity to choose one's life style and enjoy protection and rights generated by the law must be available to all citizens, that is, adults able to consent or not.
The laws are enforced equitably because the procreative status of the homosexuals and the heterosexuals is not equal.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
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I have no political views of this world, and lean towards none that are listed. 2Co 5:17 (GW) Gal 6:15 (GW)
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June 20th, 2011, 11:19 AM
We will find our answers in God, not man. If people want help, there is help, God will help them.
We renew my minds to what God says, and He is against it, so it's not right and we need to listen to our Creator, if people don't want help, they have made their own choice.
Why bother to have male and female, if this was the way to go.
The sign of the times/ages are there, we are heading towards another Sodom & Gamorrah, and in the days of Noah. There is still time to turn back to Him to get healed.
Rom 1:24-32
(24) For this reason God allowed their lusts to control them. As a result, they dishonor their bodies by sexual perversion with each other.
(25) These people have exchanged God's truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!
(26) For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
(27) Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion.
(28) And because they thought it was worthless to acknowledge God, God allowed their own immoral minds to control them. So they do these indecent things.
(29) Their lives are filled with all kinds of sexual sins, wickedness, and greed. They are mean. They are filled with envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
(30) slanderers, haters of God, haughty, arrogant, and boastful. They think up new ways to be cruel. They don't obey their parents,
(31) don't have any sense, don't keep promises, and don't show love to their own families or mercy to others.
(32) Although they know God's judgment that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do these things but also approve of others who do them.
2Co 5:17 Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation. The old way of living has disappeared. A new way of living has come into existence.
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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June 20th, 2011, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Uberpod1
So, is a gay man's son not equal to a son of yours??
yeah....that's precisely what I was trying to say, good work.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
If people want help, there is help, God will help them.
Sure, okay -- but not in any practical demonstrable fashion.
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We renew our minds to what God says, and He is against it, so it's not right and we need to listen to our Creator, if people don't want help, they have made their own choice.
He needs to find a way to speak more clearly - because people have gotten different messages.
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Why bother to have male and female, if this was the way to go.
Why bother having bodies whatsoever if we are spiritual beings?
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The sign of the times/ages are there, we are heading towards another Sodom & Gamorrah, and in the days of Noah. There is still time to turn back to Him to get healed.
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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June 20th, 2011, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Uberpod1
That was a question for you. It's answer eviserates your position. Answer it!
In that case, why would I answer it if I don't want my position eviscerated?
I'll simply avoid the question at all costs.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
Now make a case that a homosexual couple and a heterosexual couple are equivalent in the sense being discussed (procreation).
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