[krystyna]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

[font="Georgia"]So were plenty of other writings that were not ultimately canonized by the Church...

The belief in the Bible as the sole source of faith is unhistorical, illogical, fatal to the virtue of faith... -The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XIII, "Protestantism", Section III A - Sola Scriptura ("Bible Alone")

[serpentdove]

When you ask your question as Patricius79, I am happy to answer you.

[patricius79]

Originally Posted by krystyna

The belief in the Bible as the sole source of faith is unhistorical, illogical, fatal to the virtue of faith... -The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XIII, "Protestantism", Section III A - Sola Scriptura ("Bible Alone")

since the N.T. Canon is not in Scripture and has no historical source besides the oral Tradition (2 Thes 2:15) of the Catholic Church

[YahuShuan]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

...

Vaticanus then is a combination of Vatic + anus, just as Romanus is a combination of Rome + anus. Therefore, vaticanus collis or vaticanus mons mean "the prophetic hill or mountain", which can be rephrased as the hill or mountain of prophecy. The word Vatican is just a shortened form of the word Vaticanus, just like Claudian is a shortened form of Claudianus, as shown above. This association of the Vatican with prophecy is even confirmed by this recent Catholic book:

Where does the word "Vatican" come from and what does it mean?

The word derives from the Latin vates, which means "tellers of the future." This name was the name given to a hillside on the west bank of the Tiber River in Rome because daily lineups of fortunetellers used to hawk their "wares" there to passersby on the street. In the fourteenth century, when the papacy was returned to Rome from Avignon (France), the present-day Vatican became the residence of the popes, and the word came to refer to the enclave in the middle of Rome that had become the seat of the Roman Catholic Church.

Source: Incredible Book of Vatican Facts and Papal Curiosities, by Nino Lo Bello, Liguori Publications, Copyright 1998, ISBN 0-7648-0171-6, page 135.

http://biblelight.net/vatican.htm

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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You and your cohorts are nothing more than lying Jesuit/Pantheistic/ Mithra worshiping LIARS. Go walk on some more bones you necro.

[patricius79]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

You and your cohorts are nothing more than lying Jesuit/Pantheistic/ Mithra worshiping LIARS. Go walk on some more bones you necro.

that doesn't seem like evidence

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by krystyna

The belief in the Bible as the sole source of faith is unhistorical, illogical, fatal to the virtue of faith... -The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XIII, "Protestantism", Section III A - Sola Scriptura ("Bible Alone")

Already answered here.



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Cruciform
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[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

You and your cohorts are nothing more than lying Jesuit/Pantheistic/ Mithra worshiping LIARS. Go walk on some more bones you necro.

Hmmm...touched a nerve, it seems. The glaring fact that you were unable to offer any sort of rational disproof of my post whatsoever indicates precisely that.



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[YahuShuan]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Hmmm...touched a nerve, it seems. The glaring fact that you were unable to offer any sort of rational disproof of my post whatsoever indicates precisely that.



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Enjoy the weather.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

Enjoy the weather.

No, still no rational response from YahuShuan (Post #187)...



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Cruciform
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[YahuShuan]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Hmmm...touched a nerve, it seems. The glaring fact that you were unable to offer any sort of rational disproof of my post whatsoever indicates precisely that.



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Cruciform
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Rational disproof is not needed where there is nothing of value to disprove. I cut to the chase and gave you what you deserve. You got more coming, but not from me.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

Rational disproof is not needed where there is nothing of value to disprove.

Nice try, but of course, you'd have to prove that, wouldn't you. Honest readers, however, are fully aware that there is plently of content in my Post #179 to refute your initial claims, and you have offered nothing whatsoever to negate the statements made there. (Sorry, but mere denial doesn't constitute an argument.) My statements thus stand as posted.



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Cruciform
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[YahuShuan]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Nice try, but of course, you'd have to prove that, wouldn't you. Honest readers, however, are fully aware that there is plently of content in my Post #179 to refute your initial claims, and you have offered nothing whatsoever to negate the statements made there. (Sorry, but mere denial doesn't constitute an argument.) My statements thus stand as posted.



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In your own mind it might. But it surely doesn't in the mind of Yah. You don't obey Torah, Isaiah says you got no light in you. That's proof enough for me. You worship a Pope, not Yahuweh Elohim Almighty. You don't obey God, you obey a mere mortal piece of garbage. A dung hill of all that which is against the WORD OF YAHUWEH. You have no hope of anything that is true, and you will receive a false prophets reward. Unless you repent. So says YAHUWEH in HIS WORDS.

[mikeymikey]

Originally Posted by mikeymikey View Post
Even Wikipedia has a pretty clear explanation of the Trinity, if anyone is genuinely interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

Wiki's are made by the same people who post on forums and blogs so., your argument is obsolete.

ermm... I wasn't arguing anything. I was simply pasting a link to a clear explaination of the Trinity, as many people here seem to have some sort of block on understanding what is quite simple.

I wasn't trying to argue anything. Simply trying to be helpful.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

In your own mind it might. But it surely doesn't in the mind of Yah.

Sure thing, friend. Of course, everybody---including every rank heretic who ever cracked a Bible---claims that he speaks for God. Nothing especially unique about that. You'll understand if we're not overly impressed.

You don't obey Torah...

You don't obey the authoritative teachings of Christ's historic Catholic Church (Mt. 28:18-20; Lk. 10:16; Ac. 16:4; 1 Tim. 3:15; 1 Jn. 4:6).

You worship a Pope, not Yahuweh Elohim Almighty.

You're badly misinformed. Catholics in no way "worship" the Pope, any more than 1st-century Christians "worshiped" the apostles by considering their teachings authoritative and binding.

You don't obey God, you obey a mere mortal piece of garbage.

In obeying the teachings of the apostles, were 1st-century Christians "obeying mere mortal pieces of garbage"? Or in obeying the teachings of the apostles in the New Testament, am I "obeying mere mortal pieces of garbage"?



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[YahuShuan]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Sure thing, friend. Of course, everybody---including every rank heretic who ever cracked a Bible---claims that he speaks for God. Nothing especially unique about that. You'll understand if we're not overly impressed.
I could care less how much "I" impress you. Not even trying to. What should impress you is that I don't change the Word of Yah whatsoever, but it won't becuase you are brainwashed by satan to follow those that do change His Words, AND took away HIS AUTHORITY and gave it to a man, The Anti-Christ.

You don't obey the authoritative teachings of Christ's historic Catholic Church (Mt. 28:18-20; Lk. 10:16; Ac. 16:4; 1 Tim. 3:15; 1 Jn. 4:6).

Christ's historic catholic church? Which one of those Scriptures said that in your brainwashed mind? NONE of them! No NOT ONE. And you can't find one that will either. Not one.

You're badly misinformed. Catholics in no way "worship" the Pope, any more than 1st-century Christians "worshiped" the apostles by considering their teachings authoritative and binding.

Yah said His Sabbath is the 7th Day, but your rulers have taken that authority out of your church, therefore you are all wearing the mark of the beast. Many of them as a matter of fact. Not a cathedral built that you can not walk across it's floor over the bones of the dead. The statue of Peter in the vatican has been kissed so many times the toes have worn off his feet! And you say you don't worship any Popes? World leaders bow before the Popes and kiss him, GIVING WORSHIP TO THE POPES. And you can't tell The Beast from Lucifer anyway, for you worship Lucifer, through the Popes. What a crock you are. The God of the Bible would have no man worship another man! The Messiah you call Jesus told us, who ARE His emmisaries NOT to have any of us over another!

In obeying the teachings of the apostles, were 1st-century Christians "obeying mere mortal pieces of garbage"? Or in obeying the teachings of the apostles in the New Testament, am I "obeying mere mortal pieces of garbage"?

Maybe you best learn the relevance of the word "WITNESSES". Maybe you best learn the Scriptures for yourself. So far, it is oh so obvious, you can't read them with any understanding whatsoever.


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Why don't you just stop running your lips and come git one of us Sabbath keepers and get this blood letting on the road eh. See what you guys get this time We've turned all the cheek we have, and Yeshua said when this is His Kingdom, His People will fight. And with Him going before us...You folks won't stand a chance. You have no god but the father of lies. And yes, you can keep him all to yourselves. Have a great decade! "How's the weather?" Hope it gets worse for you. No greater heretics than the ones who made heretics a household name, and spread the heresies of satan all around the world. Good job...Now it's our turn, and we will tell them all the truth of the matters. Which are for kings and priest to search out...not Popes, or anyone who lets themselves be worshipped. Yah is jealous, and now you get to pay the price for not hearing HIM. You can't say you didn't know now. All you can say is that you refused HIM. Yahuweh, Elohim of Israel, The Almighty Himself. You do lie Jesuit. You do lie.