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The banana man was right and here is why -
July 21st, 2011, 06:35 PM
If God didn’t make the original traits that we see today in the bananas, already built into the original created banana then man couldn’t have artificially selected them and we wouldn’t have the banana traits that we have today. God gave us the knowledge and intelligence to make the banana the way he knew we would.
In other words, the traits of bananas below had to be created in order to be selected.
1 Is shaped for human hand
2 Has non-slip surface
3 Has outward indicators of inward content, Green-too early, Yellow-just right, Black-too late.
4 Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5 Is perforated on wrapper
6 Bio-degradable wrapper
7 Is shaped for human mouth
8 Has a point at top for ease of entry
9 Is pleasing to taste buds
10 Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
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July 21st, 2011, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by I aint no monkey
If God didn’t make the original traits that we see today in the bananas, already built into the original created banana then man couldn’t have artificially selected them and we wouldn’t have the banana traits that we have today. God gave us the knowledge and intelligence to make the banana the way he knew we would.
In other words, the traits of bananas below had to be created in order to be selected.
1 Is shaped for human hand
2 Has non-slip surface
3 Has outward indicators of inward content, Green-too early, Yellow-just right, Black-too late.
4 Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5 Is perforated on wrapper
6 Bio-degradable wrapper
7 Is shaped for human mouth
8 Has a point at top for ease of entry
9 Is pleasing to taste buds
10 Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
God Bless
Monkey
Speaking of monkeys and bananas, did you know there's a much easier way to peel bananas? Seriously! And monkeys have been doing it this way all along. No more struggling with that stubborn stem!
You just pinch the bottom of the banana, and the peel splits right open! I just recently found this out, and I've been opening bananas like that ever since - so much easier!
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July 21st, 2011, 08:02 PM
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Speaking of monkeys and bananas, did you know there's a much easier way to unpeel bananas? Seriously! And monkeys have been doing it this way all along. No more struggling with that stubborn stem!
You just pinch the bottom of the banana, and the peel splits right open! I just recently found this out, and I've been opening bananas like that ever since - so much easier!
My dad told me about that a little under a year ago. I've been peeling bananas that way ever since.
As dried mud does. But wait... not wet mud!! Whoa.
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3 Has outward indicators of inward content, Green-too early, Yellow-just right, Black-too late.
When a human corpse eventually turns black, is that really supposed to be an indicator that it's "too late?" Or does it just kinda work out that way?
But this reminds me... Why did we make the green light mean "go" and yellow "wait?" I mean, what with the banana color indicator model and all. Is that a "strange and mysterious ways" thing, or is it more something about the fallibility of man?
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4 Has a tab for removal of wrapper
Like a coconut.
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5 Is perforated on wrapper
Yet a cow isn't. Wha??
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6 Bio-degradable wrapper
A poisonous blowfish has a "biodegradable wrapper."
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7 Is shaped for human mouth
Like a coconut.
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8 Has a point at top for ease of entry
Like a coconut! Well, okay, granted, it's not quite exactly a "point" on the top of a coconut. But still, you can whack nails into a coconut up top. It's like the perfect creation: slam some nails into it and after some frustrating work, you can probably open up a couple of tiny holes that it's a real pain to shake the coconut water out of. Wow!
Just think of the implications of this: We invented hammer and nails, and... They can open holes in a coconut
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9 Is pleasing to taste buds
Two words: Poison. Berries.
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10 Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
Unlike tomatoes. Weird. ... Or do tomatoes curve towards the face?? Hm.
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You too.
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Monkey
I've gotten that impression.
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Last edited by zoo22; July 22nd, 2011 at 07:35 AM.
If God didn’t make the original traits that we see today in the bananas, already built into the original created banana then man couldn’t have artificially selected them and we wouldn’t have the banana traits that we have today. God gave us the knowledge and intelligence to make the banana the way he knew we would.
In other words, the traits of bananas below had to be created in order to be selected.
1 Is shaped for human hand
2 Has non-slip surface
3 Has outward indicators of inward content, Green-too early, Yellow-just right, Black-too late.
4 Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5 Is perforated on wrapper
6 Bio-degradable wrapper
7 Is shaped for human mouth
8 Has a point at top for ease of entry
9 Is pleasing to taste buds
10 Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
God Bless
Monkey
Does this mean the devil made pomegranates?
"Lord, take from me everything that hinders me from going to You. give me all that will lead me to You. Take me from myself and give me to Yourself."
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Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
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July 22nd, 2011, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by I aint no monkey
If God didn’t make the original traits that we see today in the bananas, already built into the original created banana then man couldn’t have artificially selected them and we wouldn’t have the banana traits that we have today. God gave us the knowledge and intelligence to make the banana the way he knew we would.
I suppose God must have created these same wonderful traits in ALL fruits for humans to select. Oh wait, that's not the case at all . . .
Which ones of these have "pop tops" or are pointed, are "non-slip" or "easy open"?
Why would God create fruits that *contained* traits so humans could select them to be perfect foods rather than just creating them perfect in the first place?
Not that most fruits, selected or no, have any of the traits you're claiming are specially created.
Whatever did the poor Durian do to have a foul smelling and sharp rind!?
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3 Has outward indicators of inward content, Green-too early, Yellow-just right, Black-too late.
This is the only one that actually makes sense because, it's common to all fruits. But of course it has a very obvious evolutionary explanation. Fruits change color to alert fruit eaters that their seeds have completed development and are ready to be disbursed.
It's the same reason fruits are generally sweet and taste good. It's to bribe the fruit eater to move the seeds away from the parent plant. Since the plant can't move, it gets animals (and sometimes humans) to do the job instead. Same reason flowers are pretty.
Maybe monkey could take a basic biology course before agreeing with silly things he finds on the internets. (all this assuming you're not a Poe)
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
Also, speaking of bananas, my rabbits are crazy for bananas. They're banana crazy. Sort of like you're banana crazy, IAN Monkey. But well, actually, no, it's a different kind of banana crazy... They're just crazy for the taste of bananas.
Anyway, I overheard them talking and apparently, rabbits also consider the banana a miracle fruit! They were commenting, "you just chew right through that bitter peel, and BAM!! there's a banana in there!!"
Hope this info helps!
"There was so much handwriting on the wall that even the wall fell down"
"In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom. The surest path to wisdom is a liberal education." – Alfred Whitney, Essays on Education
Don't you know
That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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July 22nd, 2011, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by glassjester
Speaking of monkeys and bananas, did you know there's a much easier way to peel bananas? Seriously! And monkeys have been doing it this way all along. No more struggling with that stubborn stem!
You just pinch the bottom of the banana, and the peel splits right open! I just recently found this out, and I've been opening bananas like that ever since - so much easier!
Thanks for that info, after I've already spent 50 years struggling with the other way.
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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July 22nd, 2011, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Alate_One
I suppose God must have created these same wonderful traits in ALL fruits for humans to select. Oh wait, that's not the case at all . . .
Which ones of these have "pop tops" or are pointed, are "non-slip" or "easy open"?
Why would God create fruits that *contained* traits so humans could select them to be perfect foods rather than just creating them perfect in the first place?
Not that most fruits, selected or no, have any of the traits you're claiming are specially created.
Whatever did the poor Durian do to have a foul smelling and sharp rind!?
This is the only one that actually makes sense because, it's common to all fruits. But of course it has a very obvious evolutionary explanation. Fruits change color to alert fruit eaters that their seeds have completed development and are ready to be disbursed.
It's the same reason fruits are generally sweet and taste good. It's to bribe the fruit eater to move the seeds away from the parent plant. Since the plant can't move, it gets animals (and sometimes humans) to do the job instead. Same reason flowers are pretty.
Maybe monkey could take a basic biology course before agreeing with silly things he finds on the internets. (all this assuming you're not a Poe)
The modern traits of bananas don’t have an evolutionary explanation, it is an intelligent design explanation where humans chose traits that were already in bananas. So the monkey man was correct, God did it. The traits didn't evolve they were chosen and they could only have been chosen if the traits were already there in the genes somewhere. Where did the traits come from? They didn't evolve by random mutation and natural selection which is the ToE.. That means they had to be created.
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Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
Isaiah 1:17
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July 22nd, 2011, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by I aint no monkey
The modern traits of bananas don’t have an evolutionary explanation, it is an intelligent design explanation where humans chose traits that were already in bananas.
Did you read anything I said? If intelligent design is responsible, why don't all fruits have the same characteristics? And why would God simply include those traits "under the surface" rather than creating fruits that are perfect to begin with?
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So the monkey man was correct, God did it. The traits didn't evolve they were chosen and they could only have been chosen if the traits were already there in the genes somewhere.
Mutation breeding is the process of exposing seeds to chemicals or radiation in order to generate mutants with desirable traits to be bred with other cultivars. Plants created using mutagenesis are sometimes called mutagenic plants or mutagenic seeds. From 1930–2004 more than 2250 mutagenic plant varietals have been released that have been derived either as direct mutants (70%) or from their progeny (30%).[1]
So your assertion is nonsense.
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Where did the traits come from?
Mutation. Seedlessness in modern bananas isn't helpful to the banana at all. It's pretty nice for people to eat but it ensures the banana variety that has it won't change at all (unlike other fruits) This means they become more susceptible to disease. Panama disease is threatening to kill off all of our dessert bananas.
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They didn't evolve by random mutation and natural selection which is the ToE.. That means they had to be created.
You just made a statement, not an argument. The modern banana wasn't created with NATURAL selection but with artificial selection. People select what they feel is the most useful for them.
We know this because we can find wild bananas in the forest that look like this:
Only bananas originating from an association with people have any of the characteristics you listed.
Mind you there are plenty of banana varieties that don't have all of your "perfect" characteristics either. . . .
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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July 22nd, 2011, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Alate_One
Did you read anything I said? If intelligent design is responsible, why don't all fruits have the same characteristics? And why would God simply include those traits "under the surface" rather than creating fruits that are perfect to begin with?
Mutation breeding is the process of exposing seeds to chemicals or radiation in order to generate mutants with desirable traits to be bred with other cultivars. Plants created using mutagenesis are sometimes called mutagenic plants or mutagenic seeds. From 1930–2004 more than 2250 mutagenic plant varietals have been released that have been derived either as direct mutants (70%) or from their progeny (30%).[1]
So your assertion is nonsense.
Mutation. Seedlessness in modern bananas isn't helpful to the banana at all. It's pretty nice for people to eat but it ensures the banana variety that has it won't change at all (unlike other fruits) This means they become more susceptible to disease. Panama disease is threatening to kill off all of our dessert bananas.
You just made a statement, not an argument. The modern banana wasn't created with NATURAL selection but with artificial selection. People select what they feel is the most useful for them.
We know this because we can find wild bananas in the forest that look like this:
Only bananas originating from an association with people have any of the characteristics you listed.
Mind you there are plenty of banana varieties that don't have all of your "perfect" characteristics either. . . .
Exposing fruit and vegetable seeds to radiation or chemicals doesn’t change their shapes, it might produce different colors or flavors. The traits for the shape of the modern banana are not from a mutation, but from a selection of traits already inherent into the banana. And if it isn’t from a mutation then it isn’t from evolution, then logic says the original bananas were created with those traits.
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Which ones of these have "pop tops" or are pointed, are "non-slip" or "easy open"? 
Whatever did the poor Durian do to have a foul smelling and sharp rind!?
(all this assuming you're not a Poe)
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