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July 25th, 2011, 10:26 AM
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we are not using your definition
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until you start using ours

you will not be communicating with us
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Firstly there IS no such a word in the bible, God nowhere has said "behold I have given you free will" He does everywhere say CHOOSE ye this day whom you will SERVE. Choose this day between life and death. The fact that you [and 99 per cent of people] call this free will does not make it so.

Man does not have the characteristic of free will any more than he has wings to fly....I think if man had free will everyone would have wings to fly....he cannot say to God "You have placed before me life or death, righteousness and sin, but I will choose to sin AND still have life."

But man has already chosen, he has already sinned, he is in a fallen state...the devil had said "you will not die" he lied, he decieved man. Adam sinned supposing that he would not die. The devil is still telling folk today "it's your life, you're free, do what you want to do, you'll be alright, you will not die"

The picture in scripture is of the Jews in Egypt...where was their free will? they were slaves, in the furnace of affliction, under the heel of oppression. God sent a deliverer in Moses, but they could only be free by following Moses not else.

Look you Americans [beautiful Americans] you think you are free and like the rest of western civilisation, where the gospel has had most penetration there is the most freedom....but let them default on their debt repayments you might be surprised to find how little freedom you really have.

Where the gospel has had no penetration the people live in abject poverty and oppression, they are not free.

But we before Jesus came into our lives we too were in darkness, we wished we could live good upright lives but when temptation came we fell. Jesus has set us free.

It is VERY simple if you are bound to sin you are not free...how can you be? So I will keep my definition not of free will, for there is no free will only bondage to sin and death or salvation.

You say but you have chosen to be saved, but to be saved is to belong to the One who saved me...a freedom I do not wish to swap.
   
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July 25th, 2011, 10:45 AM
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If she had no free will, she would have no ability to live an alternate lifestyle.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live
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So you were not in bondage before Jesus of His own grace and mercy decided to set you free. You KNOW you were in bondage, you KNOW that when the temptation came you were bound to obey it.

How many new year resolutions did you break, until Jesus showed you a better way.

But now you are gone back in your mind at least.
   
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July 25th, 2011, 10:53 AM
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So you were not in bondage before Jesus of His own grace and mercy decided to set you free. You KNOW you were in bondage, you KNOW that when the temptation came you were bound to obey it.

How many new year resolutions did you break, until Jesus showed you a better way.

But now you are gone back in your mind at least.
I chose the extent of how sinful my lifestyle would be.

I remember quite clearly times when I refused to do many things that some of my friends did. I Chose not to give in to temptation.




Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4
   
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I chose the extent of how sinful my lifestyle would be.

I remember quite clearly times when I refused to do many things that some of my friends did. I Chose not to give in to temptation.
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So you did not need a Saviour, just more practice.

And if you were angry you did not kill? just how good a sinner were you? why you were a veritable saint.
   
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They could choose who to SERVE, no man can serve two masters, he will serve One with joy or one with sorrow.
   
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They could choose who to SERVE, no man can serve two masters, he will serve One with joy or one with sorrow.
so they did have free will

right?




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so they did have free will

right?
No because they did not choose the options put before them nor did they decide what consequences would follow. They thought they would be free but they were brought into bondage. They had no idea [except that God had fully warned them] that a few years later they would hold their murdered son in their arms.
   
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July 25th, 2011, 11:57 AM
A fish in the water is free, because that is his habitat suppose you were to tell him that he could be free by leaping out onto the land "the whole world is before you, you say."

Adam was free because obedience was natural to him.
   
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I don't get the OP at all. It makes no sense.
   
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I don't get the OP at all. It makes no sense.
I doesn't make sense to me to say that Amy 's will was free, I think she was in bondage.
   
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I doesn't make sense to me to say that Amy 's will was free, I think she was in bondage.
She was in bondage to her own bad choices. While living, she still had the choice to repent of her sin and accept Jesus as her Savior.
   
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