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If you are referring to Genesis Chapter 1, it doesn't say what God used to create the heaven and the earth, does it?
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Genesis 1
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Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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Originally Posted by barbie
God says life was not.
Genesis doesn't say what God used to create grass, herb, fruit trees and every living creature. It doesn't go into the same detail as it does with Adam and Eve later.
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This is why YE creationism is contrary to scripture.
You'll have to better than just making that claim.
In what way is YE creationism contrary to scripture?
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October 16th, 2011, 05:41 PM
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Genesis doesn't say what God used to create grass, herb, fruit trees and every living creature. It doesn't go into the same detail as it does with Adam and Eve later.
Actually it does. It says the Earth and waters brought forth living things. This is why YE creationism is contrary to scripture.
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You'll have to better than just making that claim. In what way is YE creationism contrary to scripture?
As you see, "life ex nihilo" doctrine of YE creationism is contrary to God's word.
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October 16th, 2011, 07:29 PM
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Yes, it says "Let the waters bring forth..." and "Let the earth bring forth..."
Directly after those passages, it says "And God created..." and "And God made..."
It does not say what God used to "create" and "make".
eta: In genesis 2, it states 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;
So we do have God making living creatures from "the ground".
Do you have a YE Creationist site that you can point me to that spells out their beliefs that you're objecting to?
Specific beliefs that we can discuss instead of your unsupported claims over and over?
You'll have to show me exactly what you believe YE Creationists believe if we're going to discuss this.
Give me your definition of "life ex nihilo" and evidence that this is what YECs believe.
I think that YEC claims are quite varied in regard to what is figurative speech and what is completely literal in Genesis. However the one thing they have in common is a 6 day, young earth (6,000 - 10,000 years old). Can you tell us what it is exactly that you object to in regard to the old earth common ancestry model?
The account of the creation story (Gen.1-3) sets forth the creative powers of the divine to bring about life ex nihilo (out of nothing)
I don't have a problem with that. It's not explicitly stated in Gen. 1, but it's a reasonable assumption.
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. "
What existed before the beginning? Doesn't say. What did God use to create the heaven and the earth? Doesn't say.
If YECs wish to believe that nothing existed before the beginning and that God created the heaven and the earth and all of creation out of nothing, how does that condradict scripture?
What are you talking about? Sprite, put down the crack pipe. Have you actually been paying attention to this thread?
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Actually it does. It says the Earth and waters brought forth living things.
Evolutionists are forever declaring the bible to be, "Not a science text book" and for it's difficult (for them) passages to be "figurative", but any chance they get to promote evolution suddenly the text is completely reliable in plain form.
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October 16th, 2011, 11:46 PM
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Evolutionists are forever declaring the bible to be, "Not a science text book" and for it's difficult (for them) passages to be "figurative", but any chance they get to promote evolution suddenly the text is completely reliable in plain form.
The origin of life isn't about evolution. You guys get all angry and bothered when people assume you're ignorant, but then you do something like this.
We were talking about theology here. And as you see, YE creationism denies God's word in Genesis. Nothing at all about science.
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October 16th, 2011, 11:50 PM
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I have heard many of you express this sentiment. Do you think the subject has no bearing on the gospel whatsoever? Is there a reason to believe in God if the universe was a purely natural act with no intervention or planning? To top it off, why believe in God if you feel the bible is the work of men and does not contain absolute truth?
It doesn't have any bearing on the Gospel because people can believe the Gospel whether they take Genesis literally or not. It might even be easier for non-Christians to accept the Gospel if they understand that Christians can and do take Genesis non-literally and are also evolutionists or theistic evolutionists. For those who find evolution more convincing than a literal take on Genesis there will be no barrier to them finding out for themselves how good God is. They can discover for themselves that Jesus is Lord and the Holy Spirit brings righteousness, peace and joy while still believing in evolution as many Christians before them have found out.
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It doesn't have any bearing on the Gospel because people can believe the Gospel whether they take Genesis literally or not. It might even be easier for non-Christians to accept the Gospel if they understand that Christians can and do take Genesis non-literally and are also evolutionists or theistic evolutionists. For those who find evolution more convincing than a literal take on Genesis there will be no barrier to them finding out for themselves how good God is. They can discover for themselves that Jesus is Lord and the Holy Spirit brings righteousness, peace and joy while still believing in evolution as many Christians before them have found out.
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Genesis doesn't say what God used to create grass, herb, fruit trees and every living creature. It doesn't go into the same detail as it does with Adam and Eve later.
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