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Take a look at the wall in the background of the first picture. The title states "Missing Women of the Downtown East side." I count 61 on the wall not 26. Are we going to blame Robert Pickton for the murder of everyone missing from the downtown East side? His conviction on the six murders was upheld because the jury was told he could be convicted even if he wasn't the primary party. They were told he could be convicted even if he was just an active participant. That direction to the jury was appealed and upheld and opened Pandora's box. Did Robert Pickton not act alone?
That is what the Inquiry should be about. Instead we see the smoke and mirrors drama blaming the police for not taking the investigation seriously enough at the time and delaying the conviction of the murderer. The real focus of the inquiry should be examining the evidence that implied others were involved now that the publication ban has been lifted.
Dave Pickton knew where the bodies were buried. He cut a deal and told the police where they were buried so the police wouldn't dig up his whole farm. Dave Pickton was a Hells angels associate. So the defence claimed. The Hells Angels not only attended parties at Piggy's Palace, they ran the bar. They had a grow op on site. So the court was told. What else was the court told? These are very important facts that need to be part of the public inquiry.
One reporter contacted me and said they distinctly remember hearing in the news a huge Hells Angels drug and weapons bust right before Pickton was formally charged. They claimed that nothing was heard about that bust ever again and shortly thereafter Robert Pickton was given up to take the fall for the murders. Interesting timing indeed.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Allen Dalstrom was fired by OCABC chief officer David Douglas in 2004 after concerns were raised about Dalstrom's handling of Project Phoenix, a multimillion-dollar investigation of the Hells Angels that was never prosecuted, and over comments Dalstrom allegedly made to a journalist writing a book about the Angels.
Dalstrom alleged in court documents that Phoenix failed because of a turf war between the RCMP and the OCABC. His trial threatened to expose deep divisions between the RCMP and municipal police in B.C. and call some of the most senior officers in the province to the stand.
Insp. Andy Richards, a former investigator with the OCABC who now works for Port Moody police, said Wednesday that Phoenix targeted nine suspects, including three full-patch members of the Hells Angels, and the case should have gone to trial.
"It was a very compelling case and ... highly prosecutable," Richards said. "But because so much baggage had been raised and so much mud had been thrown, Crown was not willing to proceed because ... it was not in the public interest to publicize the level and extent of the infighting."
Richards said that in his view, Phoenix was scuttled by senior RCMP officers because they were jealous another agency had succeeded against the Angels on what they saw as the Mounties' turf.
Asked if he thought the RCMP had learned from the Dalstrom case, Richards replied: "I hope so. But I'm just not convinced they're an organization that necessarily learns from these lessons. ... I'm not sure they learn unless they take it on the chin publicly."
RCMP Supt. Pat Fogarty said Wednesday the four-member board that fired Dalstrom had only one RCMP member on it, with the other three from municipal police forces. "The decision to do what they did was not exclusively the RCMP," he said. "They were only one vote out of four."
Pat Fogarty, the man from space. I am told he is a buffoon. Literally. It is a great concern how someone so completely out of touch with reality could have risen so high in RCMP leadership. It's as though the RCMP didn't want cases against the bikers to proceed so they promoted an idiot to be in charge.
After the VPD caught two Hells Angels in a drug ring, the NDP government created OCABC, a provincial gang task force that was effective at it's job. The RCMP were jealous and did everything in their power to successfully scuttle it's operations. It is a travesty of justice that after the RCMP sabotaged OCABC, it was the provincial taxpayers that had to pay the $2 million settlement to hide what the RCMP had done. Pat Fogarty's allusion to the claim that it wasn't the RCMP that fired Allen Dalstrom is further evidence of that cover up. RCMP Bev Busson was the chair. She fired Dalstrom.
According to Mr. Woodall’s opening statements, Allen Dalstrom’s troubles began when he opposed the RCMP’s attempt to shut down a major drug investigation by the OCABC. Mr. Dalstrom was the lead investigator on the probe, called Project Phoenix, which was targeting Hells Angels.
Rob Gordon, head of criminology at Simon Fraser University, said if Dalstrom’s allegations are true, and key Hells Angels members escaped justice because of police infighting, the provincial government needs to take a hard look at how B.C. is policed.
“It’s outrageous,” he said. “And no professional police service anywhere else on the face of the earth would tolerate it.” Gordon said the current patchwork of RCMP and municipal police in Metro Vancouver simply isn’t working. Gordon added that he suspects Phoenix isn’t the only B.C. investigation that’s been derailed by police turf wars. “If there was an inquiry into all of this, we’d probably find a lot more,” he said.It’s time that we have a very thorough look at the issue of regional policing,” he said.
Project Pheonix never went to trial because they thought it wasn't in the "public's" best interest to air all this dirty laundry. To show how vindictive and controlling the RCMP administration could be in preventing an organized crime case going to trial.
I may be naive and I may be cynical but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Yet I do believe in the three strike rule. The RCMP scuttled Operation Phoenix and the provincial gang task force called OCABC. Strike one. Then the RCMP through Richard Barszczewski stopped an investigation against the Hells angels dead after 2 1/2 tons of cocaine were discovered aboard the Western Wind. Strike two. Then Pat the Buffoon Fogarty has the brazen audacity to make the amazingly absurd statement to the press that the Hells angels are no longer a threat in BC. Strike three you're out!
There is no reason Operation Phoenix can't proceed. The evidence has been collected. We don't care what the RCMP did to stop that investigation. Stopping it let's them accomplish their misguided goal. Proceeding with it is in the public's best interest. Suppressing it is not. BTW I'm told one of the three patch members that were targeted in Operation Phoenix was the ridiculous Weird Hal Porteous.
I think we should preserve the RCMP. If Jim Chu won't take the commissioner's job then Robert Paulson should get the job. Barbara George is dishonest.
However, I do not think the RCMP should be in charge of investigating the Hells Angels or be in charge of the gang task force any more. After three hugely successful attempts to stop cases against the Hells angels going to trial, their misdeeds have proven they should not be in charge of those investigations and the authority over the gang task force should be returned to the Provinces.
BTW One of the reasons cited by Douglas for firing Dalstrom is that he believed Dalstrom was the “OCA insider” quoted in Julian Sher’s book about the Angels, The Road To Hell, How the Biker Gangs Are Conquering Canada, who said that, when it came to organized-crime investigations, the RCMP had done “f--- all here for 25 years”. So once again we see someone fired for telling the truth. The Ontario Biker Enforcement Unit is successful because the RCMP doesn’t have anything to do with it’s administration.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
We knew back when this story first broke, that there was a massive coverup.
It was known that some 250 young girls had gone missing and were presumed dead in B.C. and Oregon over the last 20 years.
Most of these girls were worked on the street as prostitutes from the age of 14 up, by Organized Crime.
Now imagine if some "lone serial killer" was successfully stalking and killing prostitutes, who typically make $2,000 a night for pimps, mafia and bikers.
There would be a 'contract' out on this guy for $20,000-$50,000 pretty much instantly.
When caught, the guy would have his skin peeled off,
and they would find him piano-wired to a chair in a field somewhere,
not to mention the fact that his nearest relatives would also be burned alive in their homes.
Yet there was no contract, even after 10 years of missing prostitutes.
The Mafia, the Bikers (e.g., Hells Angels), the pimps, nobody cared.
The obvious answer is it was the criminals who were killing off these girls.
They would get a girl strung out on heroin or meth to control her,
keep her caged in a hotel room somewhere, then charge top dollar
to prostitute her out to middle-class Johns, especially and including
Government employees, politicians etc., who were putting the tab on
government credit-cards. This prostitution ring ran all the way to the top
of the British Columbia government.
If a girl got uppity, and threatened to 'blow the whistle' on who the men were
who were hiring out the underage prostitutes, she was brutally murdered,
chopped up and made into sausages on Picton's farm, by the bikers.
The message to other prostitutes trapped in the murderous system was clear:
Snitch out the politicians and bikers, and you die a horrible death,
with your body chopped up and buried in Saskatchewan.
The prosecution and the judges, the courts were all in on it,
because they were the ones hiring the underage hookers,
and using government money to pay the bikers.
Picton was the fall-guy, another "lone-gunman" story.
But everybody knows, and gets the message.
Nobody messes with the bikers' booty, except the bikers.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Slogan/motto:
“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
Reputation:
November 8th, 2011, 03:18 PM
"Canada's Largest 'Serial Killer' was Hells Angel "
How large was he?
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
"
... According to the study, which analyzed years of data from the Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, national homicide clearance rates reached a high of 95% in the 1960s and then fell to about 80 per cent in 2006, the most recent year for which she had data.
Regionally, the Maritime and Prairie provinces had the highest clearance rates, often surpassing 90%, and Ontario typically kept pace with the national average.
B.C. and Quebec had the lowest clearance rates with Quebec at about 75% in 2006 and B.C. at 71%. While Quebec’s clearance rate has been historically low, B.C. saw more of a progressive decline.
“Higher proportions of organized crime and drug trade-related homicides could explain Quebec’s historically low clearance rates, as well as the more recent decline in British Columbia’s rates,” the study says.
RCMP Insp. Gary Shinkaruk, who has many years of experience investigating gang crimes, said Wednesday that the West Coast is an “international hub” for organized crime activity, and crime groups often have hit men — or “guns for hire” — to carry out killings.
If the killer has little or no connection to the victim — sometimes killers are hired from outside the province — that can make it a tough case to solve, he said.
“A is mad at B, but it is C who comes in on behalf of A to get at B,” he said.
Members of crime groups also make concerted efforts to know police tactics and have become adept at not leaving behind clues, such as getting rid of a BlackBerry after using it."...
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
"Canada's Largest 'Serial Killer' was Hells Angel "
How large was he?
Hilarious isn't it?
Why is it so many atheistic "other" types
post such crap about serious topics?
Did you substitute your genitals for a conscience?
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Slogan/motto:
“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
Reputation:
November 8th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazaroo
Did you substitute your genitals for a conscience?
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
You cannot go up to the Bikers and say notty notty boys.:
Dealing with criminals is what police are paid for.
Even if the criminals are government employees.
Quote:
You know that God is the Judge who will judge this sinful world.
...
They are all going to Die and then God will judge them.
Mt 7:23 : depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire.
All true:
"...the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (Jn 5:28-29)
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Humiliating the Canadian Government into prosecuting the real criminals.
Including government employees who spend government money to exploit runaway teenagers,
who make bikers rich.
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Humiliating the Canadian Government into prosecuting the real criminals.
Including government employees who spend government money to exploit runaway teenagers,
who make bikers rich.
and you think the Canadian government reads your threads on TOL?
Slogan/motto:
Don't look back; something may be gaining on you.
Reputation:
November 9th, 2011, 08:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGA
You cannot go up to the Bikers and say notty notty boys.
"Naughty"....the word is "naughty".
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Slogan/motto:
Don't look back; something may be gaining on you.
Reputation:
November 9th, 2011, 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by some other dude
and you think the Canadian government reads your threads on TOL?
What, they don't?!
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
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November 6th, 2011, 07:54 PM
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