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Speaking communist founded atheist organizations: I see that the ACLU (herein known as "Curley vs NAMBLA") is tax exempt as well.

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As opposed to the communist founded atheist organization that do not speak?

Or, I didn't realize you were fluent in communist. Did you learn how to speak communist with the Rosetta Stone language teaching program?
I'm glad that you got a good little giggle (girls giggle, men chuckle) out of my typo Ralphie.

I'm sure you'll be giggling like a 13 year old (non-cigarette smoking) school girl while you read what your fellow homosexuals did to a little 10 year old boy:

"If you have long been a Somerville resident, then you will surely remember the murder of Jeffrey Curley, the 10-year-old boy who was post-mortally raped, and then, crammed into a plastic storage box, for easy disposal in 1997."
http://somervillenews.typepad.com/th...r-to-life.html

"... on October 1, in East Cambridge, Massachusetts, ten year old Jeffrey Curley was lured into a car by two young men who promised him $50 and a new bicycle. The criminals, Salvatore Sicari and his homosexual lover, Charles Jaynes, mechanics and petty thieves, had spent months soliciting Jeffrey's trust. Once they had him in the car, Jaynes reportedly tried to force sex on Jeffrey. When the child resisted his 300 pound black assailant, Jaynes sat on and suffocated him with a gasoline-soaked rag. Sicari and Jaynes then drove to New Hampshire where Jaynes abused the boy's body before putting it in a barrel with concrete and dumping it into a river in Southern Maine.

As the details surfaced, media steered coverage to a renewed debate about the death penalty, lengthy descriptions of the search for Jeffrey's body and the grief of his father, Michael. All but invivible was the main issue: the close tie between homosexuality and pedophilia, and the increasingly brazen behavior of homosexuals whose urges for five decades have been publicized and celebrated by the political, educational and economic powers of the state."
http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWa...cod_sexed.html

And along comes the ACLU to the rescue:

August 31, 2000
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NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu...-organizations

Don't cha just love "robust child murdering and raping freedom of speech" stories Ralphie?





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Aw. Too bad the founding fathers are dead and don't matter anymore.
Ah, but things like the 2nd Amendment live on. You can bet that the good guys have more fire power than you limp wristed liberal fags do Phil.

Not that libs like Ralphie aren't armed:

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Some churches don't allow atheists to be members either.
And others have atheists in their clergy - 13% of Church of England priests are atheist.

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Ah, but things like the 2nd Amendment live on. You can bet that the good guys have more fire power than you limp wristed liberal fags do Phil.
...the kind of considered and articulate response that we have come to appreciate from you.

Not being a citizen or resident of your interesting nation, Obama's expression "Guns 'n religion" was a bit lost on me, but you have helped me to understand.

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Speaking communist founded atheist organizations: I see that the ACLU (herein known as "Curley vs NAMBLA") is tax exempt as well.



I'm glad that you got a good little giggle (girls giggle, men chuckle) out of my typo Ralphie.

I'm sure you'll be giggling like a 13 year old (non-cigarette smoking) school girl while you read what your fellow homosexuals did to a little 10 year old boy:

"If you have long been a Somerville resident, then you will surely remember the murder of Jeffrey Curley, the 10-year-old boy who was post-mortally raped, and then, crammed into a plastic storage box, for easy disposal in 1997."
http://somervillenews.typepad.com/th...r-to-life.html

"... on October 1, in East Cambridge, Massachusetts, ten year old Jeffrey Curley was lured into a car by two young men who promised him $50 and a new bicycle. The criminals, Salvatore Sicari and his homosexual lover, Charles Jaynes, mechanics and petty thieves, had spent months soliciting Jeffrey's trust. Once they had him in the car, Jaynes reportedly tried to force sex on Jeffrey. When the child resisted his 300 pound black assailant, Jaynes sat on and suffocated him with a gasoline-soaked rag. Sicari and Jaynes then drove to New Hampshire where Jaynes abused the boy's body before putting it in a barrel with concrete and dumping it into a river in Southern Maine.

As the details surfaced, media steered coverage to a renewed debate about the death penalty, lengthy descriptions of the search for Jeffrey's body and the grief of his father, Michael. All but invivible was the main issue: the close tie between homosexuality and pedophilia, and the increasingly brazen behavior of homosexuals whose urges for five decades have been publicized and celebrated by the political, educational and economic powers of the state."
http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWa...cod_sexed.html

And along comes the ACLU to the rescue:

August 31, 2000
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu...-organizations

Don't cha just love "robust child murdering and raping freedom of speech" stories Ralphie?
You seem to be forgetting that pedophilia is not homosexuality. But then I can well believe that you wouldn't understand differences between different things.

Have you established that the ACLU has defended the actions of child murderers in the case you described, or are you just flinging dung and hoping some of it will stick?

The part you conveniently left off reads:


What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.



If you were being persecuted or sued just for the garbage you post here, and the ACLU offered to support your right to free speech, you would tell them where to go, correct?

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You take an oath to do your duty to God and your country. How can an atheist even consider being a part of that club?
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Aw. Too bad the founding fathers are dead and don't matter anymore.
out of curiosity, do you have the same opinion of Darwin?
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What's my duty to an imaginary construct, again?
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And others have atheists in their clergy - 13% of Church of England priests are atheist.

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Hell - another construct. Annihilation is what you want. Straight-forward, non-allegorical and mostly biblical. Destruction. Here today, gone tomorrow....
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But you can blaspheme, and thus avoid the horrors of 'eternal existence', right? Blasphemy is unforgivable, I understand, and a blasphemer will be dug up again after his death, judged, then permanently destroyed by fire.

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But you can blaspheme, and thus avoid the horrors of 'eternal existence', right? Blasphemy is unforgivable, I understand, and a blasphemer will be dug up again after his death, judged, then permanently destroyed by fire.

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I am sad to say, you will wish that were the case.








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I had no idea that Atheists were not allowed to join Boy Scouts -
http://m.metropulse.com/news/2011/se...rs-complaints/
It was challenged in court - but to no avail. Apparently they are considered a private club - but don't alot of scouts money come from the feds, including the use of public buildings?
Why can't we just tolerate each other - it does not mean acceptance-
http://www.komonews.com/news/archive...&smobile=y&c=y
http://jonnynexus.com/2011/09/05/can...sts-be-scouts/
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Hell - another construct. Annihilation is what you want. Straight-forward, non-allegorical and mostly biblical. Destruction. Here today, gone tomorrow....
Here today, gone tomorrow?

Been around a very very long time and Christianity, because of what people IN REAL TIME saw has lasted for 2,000 years.

Muslims die as martyrs because they're brainwashed into thinking they'll get 72 virgins not because they witnessed something. Those young, dumb, full of testosterone men are convinced of whatever may suit their fancy and 72 brown-eyed virgins suits their fancy.

I spoke to a Muslim woman once from Britain and asked her if female martyrs are promised 72 brown-eyed virgin men and she cut that conversation off very quickly. But she told me yes females will get 72 male servants. OY VEY!

People back 2,000 years ago died not from brain-washing but because of what many witnessed and then were told by family what ancestors witnessed.

As Lewis stated, (paraphrasing) people won't die for what they know to be a lie.

I would never name my self, thinking you're bragging, to be Swiss. For some reason you're proud of it.

I can think of many reasons I wouldn't be. One would be, Holocaust Money in Swiss Banks. Shameful to think money is more important than killing a bunch of people and benefiting from it. There are others.

My father was full Swede, I suppose if I were like you, I'd be BabyChristian the Swede eh?

You have a lot to be proud of doncha? Annihilation is what you want. Straight-forward, non-allegorical and mostly biblical. Destruction.

You should be ashamed of the profit your country made from destruction of human life. Yours isn't allegorical. Your pride of where you're from would be shameful to me. I know I wouldn't brag about it.





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I am sad to say, you will wish that were the case.
So this is another case where your fate at the hands of the deity depends on which christian you listen to.

You'll understand me ignoring all of them then.

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