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December 4th, 2011, 06:43 PM

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They say it because they can not face the truth that the temple which is defiled in the endtimes are the Christian churches themselves, so they want it to be a rebuilt stone temple.

That is why

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Scripture please?



   
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December 4th, 2011, 08:05 PM

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Scripture please?
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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December 4th, 2011, 08:15 PM

hmmm...I think we should keep this thread about the rapture.



   
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December 4th, 2011, 11:43 PM

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Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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December 4th, 2011, 11:50 PM

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So you are not one of Daniels brothers.
Not in the flesh. He was/is a Jew. I'm a Gentile.

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The hope of Israel is the hope of the Church, for the Israel of the millennium are the children of the saints.
Israel and the Church....different promises, different destinies.

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One throne. one king, one covenant, one promise, one people.
One 'household of GOD' with diversity.

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So you declare that you are not a member of the nation of Israel, the people of God?
I am a Gentile, brought near to the commonwealth of Israel, by the blood of Christ.


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1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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And you don't?



   
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December 5th, 2011, 12:06 AM

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Not in the flesh. He was/is a Jew. I'm a Gentile.



Israel and the Church....different promises, different destinies.



One 'household of GOD' with diversity.



I am a Gentile, brought near to the commonwealth of Israel, by the blood of Christ.




Yep!



And you don't?

You will find out soon enough, but do not be too dissappointed that you are still here and in the tribulation.

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You will find out soon enough, but do not be too dissappointed that you are still here and in the tribulation.

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Yes....we'll see!



   
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December 5th, 2011, 01:43 AM

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Not in the flesh. He was/is a Jew. I'm a Gentile.
So God looks upon the flesh and not the heart??---


Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:



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Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.





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Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;




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I am a Gentile, brought near to the commonwealth of Israel, by the blood of Christ.
Only near?

I see. You are not a member of the one new man then?

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

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Now is a good time to ask. I'm new to being a Christian, and there are many points of it I don't fully understand. What exactly is the Rapture? I've been given conflicting opinions on it at Church. Yes I'm aware I may get conflicting views here as well, but I've noticed many on here really know their Bible.
There is this that is simple to understand about the rapture

God doe not save us from tribulation [that is persecution] although oft He saves us through, or in the midst of it. But there is no way possible that when God begins to pour His fury out upon His enemies that His people can be punished along with the wicked...that as Abe points out cannot be.

God's people....His present people and His future people

His present people are the church, the body of Christ WE are going to our heavenly abode, we will be caught up to meet the returning Lord

His future people are the Jews, they are to inherit the kingdom of heaven on earth. They also are to be kept safe from God's wrath.

This is why they are being re-gathered into their land, this why there must soon come a much greater gathering. This how we know we are in the last days.



   
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His future people are the Jews, they are to inherit the kingdom of heaven on earth. They also are to be kept safe from God's wrath.


Why the Jews?

God's chosen people in the OT were the Israelites. The "Jews" are only two tribes of the Israelites.

What about all the Israelites from the other 10 tribes?

I don't believe God has a "future people", but I am curious why you limit it to just the "Jews"?

You do know that not all Israelites are Jews?



   
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Why the Jews?

God's chosen people in the OT were the Israelites. The "Jews" are only two tribes of the Israelites.

What about all the Israelites from the other 10 tribes?

I don't believe God has a "future people", but I am curious why you limit it to just the "Jews"?

You do know that not all Israelites are Jews?
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The Jews know who they are, Hitler and his gang knew who they were....it is very difficult for Jewish people to disguise their Jewishness.

Would that it were as difficult for christians to disguise their christianity...but I have some thoughts about that



   
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Why the Jews?

God's chosen people in the OT were the Israelites. The "Jews" are only two tribes of the Israelites.

What about all the Israelites from the other 10 tribes?

I don't believe God has a "future people", but I am curious why you limit it to just the "Jews"?

You do know that not all Israelites are Jews?
Jew, Hebrew, Israelite...are synonymous at first the term "Jew" applied to just the tribe of Judah eventually it was applied to all 12 tribes.

Paul said that he was a Hebrew of the Hebrews Philippians 3:5

an Israeli Romans 11:1

A Jew from Tarsus, even though he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Acts 21:39



   
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A Jew from Tarsus, even though he was from the tribe of Benjamin

Acts 21:39
Israel spit into two nations (House of Israel & House of Judah)

The tribes of Judah and Benjamin made up the House of Judah.

The other 10 tribes made up the House of Israel.

The Levites were scattered amongst both houses.

Only the Israelites from the House of Judah were called "Jews".

The first time the word "Jews" is used in the KJV, the "Jews" are at war against Israel.

Paul was a "Jew" because he was from the tribe of Benjamin, which was one of the tribes of the House of Judah.

The Israelites from the House of Israel (10 tribes) were never called Jews.



   
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Yes, they were all Jews.

None of these "Jews" from WWII were of the 10 tribes. They were all descendants from the House of Judah, which was made up of two tribes (Judah & Benjamin)

Again, why do you claim God's "future people" will only be Jews? What about all the Israelites from the other 10 tribes?



   
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Israel spit into two nations (House of Israel & House of Judah)

The tribes of Judah and Benjamin made up the House of Judah.

The other 10 tribes made up the House of Israel.

The Levites were scattered amongst both houses.

Only the Israelites from the House of Judah were called "Jews".

The first time the word "Jews" is used in the KJV, the "Jews" are at war against Israel.

Paul was a "Jew" because he was from the tribe of Benjamin, which was one of the tribes of the House of Judah.

The Israelites from the House of Israel (10 tribes) were never called Jews.

I don't believe you, you have nothing here except your opinion. Provide some proof.



   
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