[Paulos]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Interesting "In The Beginning" this phrase infers there was a start point, a beginning.

John 1:1 refers back to Genesis 1:1.

[Bob Enyart]

Originally Posted by sky.

God is ETERNAL! that means TIMELESS!

This is from Google for: definition of eternal

e·ter·nal /iˈtərnl/
Adjective:

1. Lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
2. (of truths, values, or questions) Valid for all time; essentially unchanging.

Sky., feel free to check out many other dictionaries and Greek and Hebrew lexicons and then reply back. Also, if I were you, I'd reconsider that list of phrases in the OP that present the manner in which the Bible extensively presents the idea of eternity, which seems to be the exact opposite of how you're presenting it. Please consider!

Thanks Sky.
-Bob Enyart

[rocketman]

In the light of John 1:1 the line/ ray argument seems a little weak. Even a ray would have a beginning and be infinite in all directions as would a line which starts from a single point going in both directions, no?

[OMEGA]

Ps 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[Bob Enyart]

Originally Posted by sky.

If God doesn't know the future than how can He be all knowing?

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Isaiah 46:10

10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure

Sky,

In Battle Royale X post 3B there's a section on the Isaiah Settled View "Proof Texts" which addresses explicitly 46:10 and that from the beginning God declared that He shall have the victory. (And see other interesting observations there.)

God knows everything KNOWABLE that he WANTS to know. Please consider Post 1B of BR X on the qualitative (biblical) vs. quantitative (pagan) attributes of God, and realize that "how much" knowledge God has is a quantitative matter, and that God the Son divested himself of quantities of knowledge when He became a man such that even the Son did not know the day of the Second Coming, but only the Father. Thus the quantitative attributes are not the fundamental attributes of God. But the eternal God is living personal, relational, good and loving: these are the overwhelmingly clear, biblcal and fundamental attributes of God.

-Bob Enyart

[Bob Enyart]

Originally Posted by Guyver

Time is a function of the sun, moon, and stars...

No scripture needed.

Close thread.

Guyver... have you thought long and hard about this?

[sky.]

Originally Posted by Bob Enyart

This is from Google for: definition of eternal

e·ter·nal /iˈtərnl/
Adjective:

1. Lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
2. (of truths, values, or questions) Valid for all time; essentially unchanging.

Sky., feel free to check out many other dictionaries and Greek and Hebrew lexicons and then reply back. Also, if I were you, I'd reconsider that list of phrases in the OP that present the manner in which the Bible extensively presents the idea of eternity, which seems to be the exact opposite of how you're presenting it. Please consider!

Thanks Sky.
-Bob Enyart

ETERNAL means TIMELESS. God is Eternal. That is Christian that is what I believe. Also God is ALL KNOWING because He existed in eternity past.

[ghost]

Originally Posted by sky.

Really? God can't create what He has already conceived of?

Conceived of when? In your view (and the view of the other dissenters) the eternal God would never have created anything for all things would be in the mind of God eternally. ALL things would be as eternal as God is eternal.

The fact that you, Lon, zippy, and the others cannot comprehend this, speaks loud and clear that this subject is beyond your scope to reason.

[Bob Enyart]

Originally Posted by Paulos

Of course Jesus, as a human being, changed. The point is so obvious that it shouldn't even have to be made:
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Jesus in his human nature changed, grew, matured, etc. Jesus in his divine nature does not change, as per Heb 13:8.

Well, I'm sure you'll agree that Jesus the human being did have a start-up date at the Incarnation (Heb 1:6), while Jesus the Son of God is eternally begotten of the Father (Heb 7:3).

Paulos, Did "Jesus as a human being," BECOME flesh? Or did God the Son become flesh?

-Bob Enyart

[Inzl Kett]

Originally Posted by zippy2006

It only does so from the temporal viewpoint that you force on God. God's "future creativity" is not limited because God transcends time.

"God Transcending time"--The statement is illogical in itself. I've said this before. Time isn't something tangible or even spiritual. You can't hold time in your hand or touch it. You can't bend it, warp it or do anything with it because it is an abstract concept to used to describe a sequence of events. An example: Jesus was born of a virgin, lived on the Earth, was crucified, died,was buried and was raised on the third day. This sequence is time. It also illustrates that God is in time. If God was outside of time we would be just like a rock. There would be no sequences of events.

[sky.]

Originally Posted by ghost

Conceived of when? In your view (and the view of the other dissenters) the eternal God would never have created anything for all things would be in the mind of God eternally. ALL things would be as eternal as God is eternal.

The fact that you, Lon, zippy, and the others cannot comprehend this, speaks loud and clear that this subject is beyond your scope to reason.

That is moronic. God conceived of what He planned beforehand. If you don't know that then you don't know God and you don't have a clue of what is coming.

I don't plan on "reasoning" with a fool who can't understand the basics of Christian belief like Gods ALL KNOWING.. or would open theism have us believe that we know more than God because we haven't shown Him our hand yet?... Get a clue.

[chatmaggot]

Originally Posted by sky.

ETERNAL means TIMELESS. God is Eternal. That is Christian that is what I believe. Also God is ALL KNOWING because He existed in eternity past.

No it doesn't. Knight explained how you are confusing things. If there is "no time" or timeless than nothing can happen because it takes time for something to occur (God creating, God not creating, or tossing Satan into a Lake of Fire).

Just out of curiosty...how much time passed before God created time?

[ghost]

Originally Posted by sky.

That is moronic.

No, it's your logic that lacks an ounce of reason. It's obvious that this topic is well beyond your ability to think logically.

God conceived of what He planned beforehand.

There you go again. God is eternal, having no beginning and no end. According to your view that God knows all things, must include that he knows all things eternally, thus eliminating any possibility of anything being conceived.

[Bob Enyart]

Nang, quoting me, that "God did many things before creation..." you write:

Originally Posted by Nang

So you theorize, but the answer is, no.

But you left out the verses that I listed showing some of the things that God did before the creation: (John 17:24, 5; Rom. 8:29; 1 Pet. 1:20; Eph. 1:4).

Of course Nang we may disagree on this, but I'm not "theorizing" the things listed in these verses that God did before He created the foundations of the earth (Gen. 1:1).

-Bob

[Knight]

Originally Posted by sky.

God conceived of what He planned beforehand.

So are you saying there was a time before God had conceived? This doesn't seem to match your settled theism.

Hmmm.... how can I ask this....

Do you believe that there was a point in history where God was planning out and deciding on the things He was going to do?