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December 12th, 2011, 09:58 PM

Wow it does,it really does matter,it does not clearly state if abortion is right or wrong,nvm you wont understand.



   
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December 12th, 2011, 10:00 PM

You shall not murder. God is explaining if you hurt an unborn child, then life for life.





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December 12th, 2011, 10:09 PM

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You shall not murder. God is explaining if you hurt an unborn child, then life for life.
Nvm bro like I said forget it.



   
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December 12th, 2011, 11:51 PM

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Think of the government-hired executioner who takes the life of a convicted murderer. Think of the government-hired soldier who kills whoever gets in his sights.
That's not murder, idiot.





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December 13th, 2011, 12:24 AM

atom>compound>molecule>cell.




the reasoning of a one who's anti-capital punishment,yet pro-infant murder.





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December 13th, 2011, 02:36 AM

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You shall not murder. God is explaining if you hurt an unborn child, then life for life.
This is not true in it's entirety. While abortion ultimately is murder as it stands now, one has to explain it correctly so that there is no confusion or doubt.
Mosaic Law declared fetuses as property.

Exodus 21:22-23
“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,

There are many other verses which imply it even further.
This verse is more concerned about the mother then the fetus, you see. I had once thought it was concerning the fetus, but with much frustration, I had to accept the latter.

But the Christ did away with the Old Law, if one is to believe Paul's statement that Christ delivered us away from it., which he called the 'yoke of slavery'.

Sound logic places abortion as murder now, because it is not a standard of being like Jesus and is simultaneously an act of killing.



   
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December 13th, 2011, 04:19 AM

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Exodus 21:22-23
“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury,[XXXXXXXXXXX] the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,
That isn't what it says. You did that on purpose you vile disgusting pervert.

22 “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

There is no reason to even mention a woman with child, which proves it is a child and not a "fetus". It says the woman is harmed. Then he says if no harm...he isn't talking about the woman , he just said before the woman was harmed. He moved on to the child, which is the point. Since it was established already if you strike and kill, you shall be executed.





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That isn't what it says. You did that on purpose you vile disgusting pervert.

22 “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

There is no reason to even mention a woman with child, which proves it is a child and not a "fetus". It says the woman is harmed. Then he says if no harm...he isn't talking about the woman , he just said before the woman was harmed. He moved on to the child, which is the point. Since it was established already if you strike and kill, you shall be executed.
You cannot fight the truth. It is pure, consolidated hermeneutics. You are rather just bending semantics to have it fit what you want it to be. Premature birth is harm all it's own, you idiot. Your argument is invalid



   
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December 13th, 2011, 05:46 AM

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You cannot fight the truth. It is pure, consolidated hermeneutics. You are rather just bending semantics to have it fit what you want it to be. Premature birth is harm all it's own, you idiot. Your argument is invalid
"vile disgusting pervert"lmao,thats what im saying,you can bend the verses in any which so it could favor you,thats what I was trying to explain to this guy.



   
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December 13th, 2011, 05:49 AM

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That isn't what it says. You did that on purpose you vile disgusting pervert.

22 “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

There is no reason to even mention a woman with child, which proves it is a child and not a "fetus". It says the woman is harmed. Then he says if no harm...he isn't talking about the woman , he just said before the woman was harmed. He moved on to the child, which is the point. Since it was established already if you strike and kill, you shall be executed.
Fetus wasnt even a word back then,so your wrong,he used child in place of fetus.
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"vile disgusting pervert"lmao
I know. Sometimes I wonder if Nick is actually serious when he says it, because he says it so much it may as well be his signature .



   
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December 13th, 2011, 05:52 PM

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I know. Sometimes I wonder if Nick is actually serious when he says it, because he says it so much it may as well be his signature .
Lmao,honestly he sounds like a robot but without the AI



   
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December 13th, 2011, 08:38 PM

I guess it all comes down to defining "Personhood"

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

You want to argue with scripture?

I do not like to assume anything but this is a solid verse for what is a human being.

I have said it before and I will say it again, an Acorn is not a tree.

Abortion is a personal thing which I have no business to interfer with. It is a woman's body and her decision. I do not promote abortion, for me it would be a last resort thing. Many folks would love to have children but can't.

Show me the error in the above verse and I just might change my mind.
about PERSONHOOD.





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Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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