What is any religion, besides a system created by humans to address things that they do not understand? (i.e. life, death, war, cruelty, love, etc...)
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what is any religion, besides a lense through which the world is viewed, giving order to existence? Plus, conservatives do this ALL the time to justify their actions (taking only a few verses). What about all the things they have justified about homosexuality, etc?
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June 3rd, 2005, 05:34 AM
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Remember this--just about everything we know about Saddam Hussein and his dictatorship are what the Bush administration has told us.
Uh...yeah....sure. Bill Clinton didn't even know Saddam existed.
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Can you say "aluminum tubes" or "enriched uranium"? Can you say "weapons of mass deception?"
Can you tie the 9/11 attacks to the invasion of Iraq by saying "Saddam is a terrorist"?
Tying the 2 together is unecessary. You've been listening to the liberal spin machine again, commie. If 9-11 never happened, Bush still had to remove Saddam.
Haven't you heard, Bush had been planning on removing Saddam even before 9-11.
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try not using ultra-conservative journals to support your views, and maybe they will become more credible. As it has been said before, most of the info we have about Saddam comes from the Bush Administration, who have already proven that they are perfectly willing to twist, bend, and manufacture 'intelligence' to fit their needs. Try finding articles stating the connections in either a more independant journal, or a foreign news source, that doesn't have to worry about American politics.
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June 3rd, 2005, 02:38 PM
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Tying the 2 together is unecessary. You've been listening to the liberal spin machine again, commie. If 9-11 never happened, Bush still had to remove Saddam.
It was unnecessary and untruthful, but that did not stop Bush, Cheney, Condi and BillyBob from trying, did it? Moving the goalposts will give you a little more playtime, but the clock is running out.
Bush had to remove Saddam? What was he afraid would happen after 9/11 if he didn't? Bush WANTED to remove him. It was a personal crusade he pulled off using American troops and Iraqi civilians as cover.
And the only way he could pull off his little "gotcha" game was to lie and ignore all uncomfortable truths (those two sound familiar, BB?) and brand anyone who had a different idea as unpatriotic. You're not guilty of that are you? Oh, and many other things--like leaking the lie that Hans Blix was a fool, Kofe Anan was a crook, John Kerry was a coward and David Kay was a child molester.
How many Iraqi children were molested to kingdom come?
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If ever there was a good reason to invade a country it would be if it's rogue dictator had nuclear weapons, ...
Kerry was duped by Bush and his neocon Pentagon/CIA buddies into believing that Saddam had nukes. However, Kerry had enough sense to question this premise and state that the evidence does not warrant a preemptive war.
Why was Bush more worried about Iraq, about which he had no hard evidence of nukes or WMD, than about North Korea, about which he had far more evidence of nukes and WMD?
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N. Korea = rogue dictator + lots of evidence of nukes/WMD = no action Iraq = rogue dictator + no evidence of nukes/WMD = massive preemptive war
What's wrong with this picture?
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To not remove Saddam from power would have been irresponsible.
Your focus is misplaced. Of course, it was desirable that Saddam be removed from power. But one does not justifiably remove a rogue dictator from power by ordering a massive preemptive war, knowing full well one has no clear hard evidence that Saddam actually had nukes/WMD, knowing full well that one has no evidence of a significant and imminent threat, and knowing full well that such an order would result in the deaths of many thousands of innocent men, women and children!
For the nth time, killing thousands of innocent people in the hope that this will prevent a "terrorist" rogue dictator from becoming a future imminent threat is not morally justifiable!
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Are you accusing Kerry of irresponsibility and inaction, Skeptic? Are you saying that Kerry would have failed the American people by not disarming a known terrorist?
I am accusing Bush of irresponsibly, unnecessarily and immorally failing the American people, the Iraqi people, and the world by "disarming" a rogue dictator, even though Bush had no hard evidence there existed anything to disarm, justifying the "disarming" by fixing the facts to suit his policy, knowing full well that thousands of innocent men, women and children would die as a result of this alleged "disarming."
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
try not using ultra-conservative journals to support your views, and maybe they will become more credible. As it has been said before, most of the info we have about Saddam comes from the Bush Administration, who have already proven that they are perfectly willing to twist, bend, and manufacture 'intelligence' to fit their needs. Try finding articles stating the connections in either a more independant journal, or a foreign news source, that doesn't have to worry about American politics.
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June 4th, 2005, 05:31 AM
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try not using ultra-conservative journals to support your views, and maybe they will become more credible. As it has been said before, most of the info we have about Saddam comes from the Bush Administration, who have already proven that they are perfectly willing to twist, bend, and manufacture 'intelligence' to fit their needs. Try finding articles stating the connections in either a more independant journal, or a foreign news source, that doesn't have to worry about American politics.
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You don't expect ultra left journals like the New York Times to give you any of this info, do you? Maybe Jason Blaire has an article or 2 that you would like to cite. Oh, I bet Dan Rather has something to say about all this.
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June 4th, 2005, 06:35 AM
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You don't expect ultra left journals like the New York Times to give you any of this info, do you? Maybe Jason Blaire has an article or 2 that you would like to cite. Oh, I bet Dan Rather has something to say about all this.
That's right--get off the subject and bash the New York Times and Dan Rather. At least that takes the focus off of Bush's shabby lies about his national guard stint and his immoral war....
You're doing pretty good, but your response/turnaround time could be improved. And don't bother reading other media--Karl Rove will do that for you. Just ride your bike or cut some brush.
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That's right--get off the subject and bash the New York Times and Dan Rather. At least that takes the focus off of Bush's shabby lies about his national guard stint and his immoral war....
Proper focus is on proven liars, i.e., NYT and Dan Rather.
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You're doing pretty good, but your response/turnaround time could be improved. And don't bother reading other media--Karl Rove will do that for you. Just ride your bike or cut some brush.
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June 4th, 2005, 07:15 AM
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That's right--get off the subject and bash the New York Times and Dan Rather. At least that takes the focus off of Bush's shabby lies about his national guard stint and his immoral war....
You're doing pretty good, but your response/turnaround time could be improved. And don't bother reading other media--Karl Rove will do that for you. Just ride your bike or cut some brush.
I realize that following a dialogue is a bit above your abilities, commie, but if you go back a few posts you will see that it wasn't I who changed the subject and decided to talk about specific media outlets, it was one of your commie cohorts who did that. Mine was in response to his futile attempts to discredit the source of the truth he would rather ignore.
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June 4th, 2005, 07:53 AM
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You don't have a point to prove.
...Yep--that's my point.
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Boring, ain't it?
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Mine was in response to his futile attempts to discredit the source of the truth he would rather ignore.
And mine was in response to your futile attempts to discredit the source of the problem you would actually change the subject from!!!
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Those who believe it is not morally justifiable to kill thousands of innocent people in the hope that this will prevent a "terrorist" rogue dictator from becoming a possible future imminent threat please raise your hand.
Those who believe it is morally justifiable to kill thousands of innocent people in the hope that it will prevent a "terrorist" rogue dictator from becoming a possible future imminent threat please explain why you believe this.
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