Originally posted by Skeptic
I'm sorry, but they know not what they do!
If Bush does go for another term, the TBs will eventually wish he hadn't.
Skeptic,
I really do like you skeptic but do you know who the other choice is? Hillary yes the are primping her for pres. for 2004. I will take my chances with Bush. I surely do not agree with all that he has done but gosh look what he has to try to clean up after Clinton.
Originally posted by Is it possible?
I will take my chances with Bush. I surely do not agree with all that he has done but gosh look what he has to try to clean up after Clinton.
I would take a hundred presidents who lied about sex, than one who lied about why we should go to war!
I would rather have a president having sex with animals in the White House, than one who sends hundreds of troops unnecessarily to their deaths, and kills thousands of Iraqis, for economic and strategic advantage!
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Originally posted by Is it possible?
Is this all you think Clinton did? Boy not only are you niave but indoctrinated.
Here is a resume for Bush. Why don't you make one for Clinton, then we'll compare.
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April 23, 2003
George W. Bush's Resume
A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY
by Kelley Kramer
I recently had an email exchange with a right-winger from my local newspaper, and of course the war with Iraq came up pretty quick. But he said something in defense of George Bush that really surprised me. In defense of the attack on Iraq he said 'between Hussein and Bush, Hussein is the bad guy'.
My first response was ... So your guy is better than a third world dictator, Wow! what an accomplishment! Does he put that on his resume?
And with that in mind, I started wondering ... what would a George W. Bush resume look like exactly?
Listed below is what I came up with,
Best!
Kelley Kramer
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George W. Bush Resume
Past work experience:
Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:
Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
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There are things I don't like about Clinton, but I'd take him over Bush any day!
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Skeptic all that you have stated is enuindo and personal opinion and some of the things you mentioned would have happened anyway even if a certain Democrat sat in the White House: such as the deficit. Some of the things that are listed I agree with. All bush has done is take away the democrates issues. Bush never lost the election and the only people who's vote was they disenfranchised was the vote of the military. Bush would have won easy if it had not been for the corruption that is now the Democratic party which is made up of femmie Natzis, Baby Killers, Gays, Enviromental Whacko's, commies and commie sympathizers.(I am using Rush Limgaugh terminology here) The are fringe groups not main stream at all but anyway for your viewing pleasure let's visit memory lane:
The Clinton Legacy
RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.
Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different standard in "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: "By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been
convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."
STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES
FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED
BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED
IN THE MEDIA
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.
ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMERS
Number of Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress that they didn't remember, didn't know, or someting similiar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey ******** 161
Bill Burton ********** 191
Mark Gearan *********** 221
Mack McLarty *********** 233
Neil Egglseston ************ 250
Hillary Clinton ************ 250
John Podesta ************* 264
Jennifer O'Connor ***************** 343
Dwight Holton ***************** 348
Patsy Thomasson ********************* 420
Jeff Eller *********************************** 697
THE CLINTON LEGACY:
LONELY HONOR
Here are some of the all too rare public officials, reporters, and others who spoke truth to the dismally corrupt power of Bill and Hill Clinton's political machine -- some at risk to their careers, others at risk to their lives. A few points to note:
- Those corporatist media reporters who attempted to report the story often found themselves muzzled; some even lost their jobs. The only major dailies that consistently handled the story well were the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times.
- Nobody on this list has gotten rich and many you may not have even heard of. Taking on the Clintons typically has not been a happy or rewarding experience. At least ten reporters have been fired, transferred off their beats, resigned, or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals. Whistleblowing is even less appreciated within the government. One study of whistleblowers found that 232 out of 233 them reported suffering retaliation; another study found reprisals in about 95% of cases.
- Contrary to the popular impression, the politics of those listed ranges from the left to the right, and from the ideological to the independent.
- We have not included victims of the Clinton machine, some of whom have acted with considerable danger and at considerable risk to themselves. They will be included on a later list.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS
MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ was a prosecutor on the staff of Kenneth Starr. His attempts to uncover the truth in the Vincent Foster death case were repeatedly foiled and he was the subject of planted stories undermining his credibility and implying that he was unstable. Rodriguez eventually resigned.
JEAN DUFFEY: Head of a joint federal-county drug task force in Arkansas. Her first instructions from her boss: "Jean, you are not to use the drug task force to investigate any public official." Duffey's work, however, led deep into the heart of the Dixie Mafia, including members of the Clinton machine and the investigation of the so-called "train deaths." Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports that when she produced a star witness who could testify to Clinton's involvement with cocaine, the local prosecuting attorney, Dan Harmon issued a subpoena for all the task force records, including "the incriminating files on his own activities. If Duffey had complied it would have exposed 30 witnesses and her confidential informants to violent retributions. She refused." Harmon issued a warrant for her arrest and friendly cops told her that there was a $50,000 price on her head. She eventually fled to Texas. The once-untouchable Harmon was later convicted of racketeering, extortion and drug dealing.
BILL DUNCAN: An IRS investigator in Arkansas who drafted some 30 federal indictments of Arkansas figures on money laundering and other charges. Clinton biographer Roger Morris quotes a source who reviewed the evidence: "Those indictments were a real slam dunk if there ever was one." The cases were suppressed, many in the name of "national security." Duncan was never called to testify. Other IRS agents and state police disavowed Duncan and turned on him. Said one source, "Somebody outside ordered it shut down and the walls went up."
RUSSELL WELCH: An Arkansas state police detective working with Duncan. Welch developed a 35-volume, 3,000 page archive on drug and money laundering operations at Mena. His investigation was so compromised that a high state police official even let one of the targets of the probe look through the file. At one point, Welch was sprayed in the face with poison, later identified by the Center for Disease Control as anthrax. He would write in his diary, "I feel like I live in Russia, waiting for the secret police to pounce down. A government has gotten out of control. Men find themselves in positions of power and suddenly crimes become legal." Welch is no longer with the state police.
DAN SMALTZ: Smaltz did an outstanding job investigating and prosecuting charges involving illegal payoffs to Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, yet was treated with disparaging and highly inaccurate reporting by the likes of the David Broder and the NY Times. Espy was acquitted under a law that made it necessary to not only prove that he accepted gratuities but that he did something specific in return. On the other hand, Tyson Foods copped a plea in the same case, paying $6 million in fines and serving four years' probation. The charge: that Tyson had illegally offered Espy $12,000 in airplane rides, football tickets and other payoffs. In the Espy investigation, Smaltz obtained 15 convictions and collected over $11 million in fines and civil penalties. Offenses for which convictions were obtained included false statements, concealing money from prohibited sources, illegal gratuities, illegal contributions, falsifying records, interstate transportation of stolen property, money laundering, and illegal receipt of USDA subsidies. Incidentally, Janet Reno blocked Smaltz from pursuing leads aimed at allegations of major drug trafficking in Arkansas and payoffs to the then governor of the state, WJ Clinton. Espy had become Ag secretary only after being flown to Arkansas to get the approval of chicken king Don Tyson.
DAVID SCHIPPERS, was House impeachment counsel and a Chicago Democrat. He did a highly creditable job but since he didn't fit the right-wing conspiracy theory, the Clintonista media downplayed his work. Thus most Americans don't know that he told NewsMax, "Let me tell you, if we had a chance to put on a case, I would have put live witnesses before the committee. But the House leadership, and I'm not talking about Henry Hyde, they just killed us as far as time was concerned. I begged them to let me take it into this year. Then I screamed for witnesses before the Senate. But there was nothing anybody could do to get those Senators to show any courage. They told us essentially, you're not going to get 67 votes so why are you wasting our time." Schippers also said that while a number of representatives looked at additional evidence kept under seal in a nearby House building, not a single senator did.
JOHN CLARKE: When Patrick Knowlton stopped to relieve himself in Ft. Marcy Park 70 minutes before the discovery of Vince Foster's body, he saw things that got him into deep trouble. His interview statements were falsified and prior to testifying he claims he was overtly harassed by more than a score of men in a classic witness intimidation technique. In some cases there were witnesses. John Clarke has been his dogged lawyer in the witness intimidation case that has been largely ignored by the media, even when the three-judge panel overseeing the Starr investigation permitted Knowlton to append a 20 page addendum to the Starr Report.
OTHER
THE ARKANSAS COMMITTEE: What would later be known as the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy actually began on the left - as a group of progressive students at the University of Arkansas formed the Arkansas Committee to look into Mena, drugs, money laundering, and Arkansas politics. This committee was the source of some of the important early Clinton stories.
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION SCANDALS E-LIST: Moderated by Ray Heizer, this list has been subject to all the idiosyncrasies of Internet bulletin boards, but it has nonetheless proved invaluable to researchers and journalists.
I can site the website if you wish. This is just the tip of the iceberg. To be continued
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IiP, I was getting ready to fight back after reading Skeptic's silly post but you crossed the finish line before I could even enter the race!!!!!!!!!!!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
{ I will be here in the wings waiting to back you up if you need it, as unlikely as that is}
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Hey Skeptic, I could easily dismember every single accusation you have made against GW. You know you are deliberately perpetrating a deception and it makes you a hypocritical partisan hack.
I am so ashamed of you........
I used to like you and even trust you..............
Originally posted by BillyBob
I am so ashamed of you........
I used to like you and even trust you..............
Please.
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Clinton should not have been impeached for lying about something that was nobody's business in the first place. His impeachment was a result of a right-wing conspiracy.
I could care less about the legal problems of Clinton's buddies.
The evidence suggests that Bush has committed one of the most heinous crimes a president can commit: launching a full-scale preemptive invasion against a country, against international law, without evidence of a clear and imminent threat to America or other countries, based on old intelligence, lies, and exaggerations, and which has resulted in the unnecessary deaths of a few hundred U.S. troops, along with many thousands of Iraqis, for political and economic advantage.
Saddam was not so significant a threat to America or our allies to warrant such a massive full-scale preemptive invasion. If Bush had let the U.N. inspection process continue and accelerate, we would probably know more today about any alleged WMD or weapons programs. But, Bush did not want that process to continue, for it would have probably have negated any perceived justification for invading Iraq.
Saddam was a brutal tyrant, and killed many people over the past few decades. But, the old crimes of Saddam was hardly justification for a massive U.S. invasion! If Saddam was just as criminal, but had been leader of a country with zero oil, he would still be in power in Iraq today!!
I bet if Liberia had the second largest oil reserves on the planet, Bush would have sent troops in there long ago!
Bush has the blood of thousands of people on his hands and he refuses to take responsibility for it. He also publicly refused to take responsibility to for the contents of his State of the Union speech, which contained some of the bogus evidence he used to justify the invasion.
Unless the Republicans in Congress are successful in hiding the truth from the American public, Bush is going down!! Not only should he be impeached, but he should be tried for crimes against humanity!!
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
===================== Posted on Tue, Jul. 08, 2003
ROBERT STEINBACK No oil in Liberia
If you loved Iraq, you should be seriously gung-ho about Liberia. You have hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. You have a brutal head of state. You have a nation longing for peace and true democracy -- and a region that could benefit from the establishment of one.
These, after all, were among the many concocted justifications that the Bush administration offered for its unprovoked invasion of Iraq. Of course, Liberia doesn't have weapons of mass destruction posing a serious threat to the United States -- then again, based on what has been uncovered in the wake of America's first true war of aggression, neither did Iraq.
And no clear links have been established between Liberian leader Charles Taylor and al Qaeda. But none were established between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, either. So all we have left to argue that America was right to invade Iraq are reasons that apply equally well to Liberia.
Some 200,000 people died in Liberia and more than a half million were displaced, during the seven-year civil war that carried Taylor to power. Taylor may not have WMDs, but he knows about terrorism -- he supported the Sierra Leone rebels that became notorious two years ago for hacking off the limbs of civilians.
The argument for intervention in Liberia could be considered stronger than Iraq in two respects: The Liberian people almost assuredly would welcome American troops -- both the embattled leader and the two primary rebel groups have asked for U.S. intervention. And they're only asking for 2,000 American troops, not the 150,000 currently posted in turbulent Iraq.
''The reception would be warmer than in Iraq,'' said Mark Schneider, vice president of the Brussels-based International Crisis Group, which monitors resolution of conflicts worldwide. ''You have the Liberians urging the United States to take a leading role in a multinational force to help stabilize the situation and oversee a transition'' to democratic government.
UNSPEAKABLE ATROCITIES
Yet one doesn't hear any fiery presidential speeches about the need to deliver freedom to the Liberian people. No declarations about the need to rid the world of an evil man who kills his own people and commits unspeakable atrocities. No rhetoric about how establishing a working democracy in Liberia could help spread democracy throughout West Africa.
Why not? Liberia isn't sitting on an ocean of oil and it isn't in a geopolitically strategic location -- the real reasons Bush invaded Iraq. Maybe Bush really believed that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction ready to deploy, or maybe he misled us. But it was never about the Iraqi people.
Yet, with no pressing strategic or economic cherries to pick, the only reason for getting involved would be the people of Liberia -- a nation founded by freed American slaves who first arrived in 1821. The American connection in Liberia is not insignificant; respect for the United States far exceeds what America deserves for its historically tepid support of the West African nation. But it's more of a foundation for involvement than we had in Iraq.
Nevertheless, President Bush has dragged his feet about intervening -- and as cease-fire violations increase, civilians continue to die. On an African tour that won't include Liberia, Bush has conditioned intervention on Taylor's resignation -- and he might get his way. Word out of Liberia is that Taylor said he would be willing to step down to visiting Nigerian president Olusegun Obasanjo this weekend.
If true, the spotlight will shift back to Bush to demonstrate that Iraq was not just a massive exercise in cynicism. It would be a chance to deploy U.S. diplomatic and military force properly: with restraint, a deliberate strategy for peace and the cooperation of sympathetic nations.
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Originally posted by BillyBob
Skeptic, you keep regurgitating the same old crap.
It's very cute!
Simply calling it "old crap" does not make it any less true!
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
AFTER PEARL HARBOR, President Roosevelt rounded up more than 100,000 Japanese residents and citizens and threw them in internment camps. Indeed, both liberal deities of the 20th century, FDR and Earl Warren, supported the internment of Japanese-Americans. In the '20s, responding to the bombing of eight government officials' homes, a Democrat-appointed attorney general arrested about 6,000 people. The raids were conducted by A. Mitchell Palmer, appointed by still-revered Democrat segregationist Woodrow Wilson, who won the 1916 election based on lies about intelligence and war plans.
In response to the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world right here on U.S. soil, Attorney General John Ashcroft has detained fewer than a thousand Middle Eastern immigrants. Ashcroft faces a far more difficult task than FDR did: Pearl Harbor was launched by the imperial government of Japan, not by Japanese-Americans living in California. The 9-11 Muslim terrorists, by contrast, were not only in the United States but, until the attack, had broken hardly any laws at all (aside from a few immigration laws, which liberals don't care about anyway). And yet, Ashcroft's modest, carefully tailored policies have prevented another attack for almost two years since Sept. 11, 2001. No internment camps, no mass arrests. And no more massive terrorist attacks.
Naturally, therefore, the Democrats have focused like a laser beam on the perfidy of John Ashcroft. Rep. Dick Gephardt recently said, "In my first five seconds as president, I would fire John Ashcroft as attorney general." (In his first four seconds, he would establish the AFL-CIO wing of the White House.)
Sen. John Kerry has vowed: "When I am president of the United States, there will be no John Ashcroft trampling on the Bill of Rights." (Experts are still trying to figure out why Kerry didn't mention his service in Vietnam during that last statement.) Let me be the first to predict that when John Kerry is president, pigs will fly.
Sen. John Edwards said that "we must not allow people like John Ashcroft to take away our rights and our freedoms." Apparently, we must, however, allow Janet Reno to run over our rights and our freedoms with a tank.
As usual, the Democrats have come up with a lot of bloody adjectives, but are a little short in the way of particulars as to how Ashcroft is trampling on anyone's rights. Their case-in-chief seems to be Tarek Albasti. Albasti's story has now run in more than 70 overwrought news stories. His tale of torment led a New York Times report on terrorism suspects whose lives have been uprooted and was the featured story on a PBS special this week about the civil-liberties crisis sweeping America.
Tarek Albasti is an Egyptian immigrant who married an American woman, brought seven of his Egyptian friends to America and was enrolled in flight school when America was hit on 9-11. Based on a tip from the ex-wife of one of the men that they were plotting a suicide mission, the eight Egyptian immigrants were held for one week in October 2001 – one week. The men were questioned and released. Since then, the government has issued copious apologies to the men and has expunged their records.
What are liberals claiming law enforcement was supposed to do with information like that? We're sorry for any Arabs whose dearest dream was to go into crop dusting, but this really isn't a good time. (Perhaps we could have a five-day waiting period for Muslims who apply to U.S. flight schools for a background check.)
Albasti told PBS – that's right, PBS, the television network owned, operated and funded by the very same federal government Albasti now claims is oppressing him – that during his one-week confinement he was worried he would be hanged without anyone ever knowing what happened to him. For that remark alone, he should be deported. Is that what he thinks of America? But at least detained Arabs – and more to the point, their lawyers – have a monetary incentive to make absurd claims of persecution. What is the Democrats' excuse?
Based on the wails from our stellar crop of Democratic presidential candidates, you would think every Muslim in the country is cowering in fear of a pogrom-oriented attorney general. Meanwhile, the left's principal evidence of a civil-rights crisis in America consists of a one-week detention of eight Egyptian immigrants – one in flight school, no less – after the ex-wife of one of the men tipped off the FBI to a possible terrorist plot in the making.
Apparently, a lot of the false tips to law enforcement are coming from ex-wives. (Maybe Muslim men should have thought of that before introducing the burka.) Esshassah Fouad, a Moroccan student, was detained in Texas after his former wife accused him of being a terrorist. She is now serving a one-year prison sentence for making a false charge.
But some day, small children will be reading somber historical accounts about the dark night of fascism under John Ashcroft. (Thanks to Ashcroft, at least they'll be reading them in English, rather than Arabic.) If liberals applied half as much energy to some business endeavor as they do to creating the Big Lie, they would all be multimillionaires.
What are we to make of people who promote the idea that America is in the grip of a civil-liberties emergency based on 100 hazy stories of scowls and bumps and one-week detentions? Manifestly, there is no civil-liberties crisis in this country. Consequently, people who claim there is must have a different goal in mind. What else can you say of such people but that they are traitors?
Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:20-21
Billy George Bush Bob : If what skeptic states is crap THAN REFUTE HIS STATEMENTS instead of namecalling. That's childish - and you not win someone over by namecalling .
I'm wondering whether you have set up Bush as an idol. It is obvious that he has lied and misled the American people. He is for big goverrnment and really, come on, no matter who is the white house it's the same old policies. Big government and wasteful spending of our hard earned tax dollars.
I'm convinced that logic and rationality doesn't mean anything here. Christians like non- christians believe what they want and facts are interpreted thru your core beliefs.
I may look at the universe as a creation of God - a miracle. The atheist sees the universe as a result of natural processes and evolution. The eastern mindset sees the universe as an illusion.I believe the christian worldview makes sense out of reality. But the views cannot all be true because they contradict each other. But the relativist sees all views as equal.
It's the same here with Bush . Billy Bob will believe Bush is great and moral and maybe even perfect . i would think the first thing Billy will do if he were to walk into heaven is to run past Jesus , Abraham, David, CS Lewis, Peter, Paul, Mary, loved ones and etc and go run into the arms of George W ( if he is there).
I believe Skeptic or I for that matter wouldn't do that of course. .
I close with the that these conversations and debates don't get anywhere. Billy Bob is convinced along with others that Bush or republicans are moral and think in the best interest of the people. That's obviously garbage but no matter how many facts you present to counter they will believe what they will believe. Christians can be blind also.
I did want to say that my ex wife grew up in Texas and her dad was in the oil business . She doesn't have any nice things to say about Bush and these oil people. I don't either. There sinners like everyone else. They are a bunch of cowboys as she says . Bang Bang shoot em up mentality. That's her opinion but it comes from someone who has been there .
So there you have it . I just would have expected more openness or desire for truth here but it's the same everywhere. people don't change their views unless they want to. It has been said that criminals that are serving long time sentences in prisons believe that they are good people. Go figure.
The only party i see that wants to make significant changes in our country never get the exposure ( liberatarian and etc. ) They want the US out of the UN . They want to rid the IRS and quit our stupid foreign policy. They want reduce the big government spending and power.
Do you see that from the democrats or republicans ????? NO NO NO .
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