Originally posted by BillyBob
Clinton said that Saddam had WMD, should we impeach him again? [I wouldn't mind, myself, but not for the reason stated]. Tony Blair said the Saddam has WMD. The UN said that Saddam has WMD. American intelligence said that Saddam has WMD. The Israelis know he did because Saddam launched some of them. The Kurds will tell you that Saddam has WMD, they will show you the graves of the victims.
Obviously, American intelligence was wrong, and the WMD threat was either extremely exaggerated or fabricated, or both! Bush was very irresponsible for not listening to those in the intelligence community who agreed the Iraqi threat was blown way out of proportion. Bush may very well have known that the Iraqi threat was blown way out of proportion, but proceeded to invade Iraq anyway for political and economic reasons. Invading a country and risking thousands of lives shoud be based on 100% proof that Iraq was a clear and imminent threat to America based on solid intelligence showing where and how many WMDs Iraq actually had. Some vague suspicion of a "weapons program" is grossly insufficient.
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You silly neo-libs are blowing smoke because you hate conservatism and you hate Bush. This isn't about WMD and you know it! The best chance you have of defeating Bush is to paint him as a criminal regardless of the fact that he has defended this country in an honorable fashion during very precarious times. That is his job and he does it well.
Typical of you, BillyBob. I expected you to try to turn it around and say it is just "blowing smoke" by liberals who "hate Bush."
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I guess if we are going to claim that Bush lied, we better accuse Clinton and Blair and Annan and Israel and the Kurds and the CIA and Iraqi defectors. Let's impeach them all!
If it can be shown that they lied to the American public about the Iraqi threat in order to justify a massive invasion, then yes, impeach them too!
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
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June 19th, 2003, 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Americans are LESS safe, since Bush ordered the illegal preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Bush invasion and occupation is a rallying cry for terrorist recruits! Overall, the world is a more dangerous place to live, and Bush has taken us down this dangerous road.
Yep...good ol' George W. did it all on his own. No Congress or anything...just him. He's a total dictator like Saddam Hussein used to be and he does whatever he pleases regardless of what anyone else says or how Congress votes. Amazing!!
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June 19th, 2003, 08:06 PM
Skeptic;
Typical of you, BillyBob. I expected you to try to turn it around and say it is just "blowing smoke" by liberals who "hate Bush."
Billy;
I call 'em as I see 'em. If it wasn't about your hatred of GW, you would not continuously call him stupid. You would be calling for an investigation of the intelligence community of the entire free world. That is where Bush got his info, which I still say is correct.
Instead, you just insinuate that Bush is a liar and pretend that he was in this alone. Silly neo-lib, you are transparent and grasping at straws.
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June 19th, 2003, 08:09 PM
Skeptic;
Americans are LESS safe, since Bush ordered the illegal preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Bush invasion and occupation is a rallying cry for terrorist recruits! Overall, the world is a more dangerous place to live, and Bush has taken us down this dangerous road.
Billy;
ARE YOU INSANE? The terrorists attacked US!!!!!!!!!!!! They are the ones who have made this a dangerous world, not Bush! If you want to sit back and let them kill you, that is fine with me, God knows we could do with a few less commies, but don't expect the rest of us to not fight back.
Originally posted by One Eyed Jack
Hello, Eireann... you gonna answer my question?
Sorry, I didn't see it before. He lied about a number of things. For one, as contained in the original post for this thread, he lied about having undeniable and indisputable proof that Iraq has an active WMD program. He lied about having undeniable evidence of Iraq's ties to Al Qaeda. Then there's that whole "staging of the statue-dropping" thing (not sure if Dubya actually had any part in that, but it doesn't look good on the Admin's resume).
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June 19th, 2003, 08:29 PM
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Sorry, I didn't see it before. He lied about a number of things. For one, as contained in the original post for this thread, he lied about having undeniable and indisputable proof that Iraq has an active WMD program. He lied about having undeniable evidence of Iraq's ties to Al Qaeda. Then there's that whole "staging of the statue-dropping" thing (not sure if Dubya actually had any part in that, but it doesn't look good on the Admin's resume).
Does anyone here know Bill Clinton? If so, will they go ask him what the definition of "Lied" is? Once we find that out, then maybe we can determine if Bush lied or not.
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ARE YOU INSANE? The terrorists attacked US!!!!!!!!!!!! They are the ones who have made this a dangerous world, not Bush! If you want to sit back and let them kill you, that is fine with me, God knows we could do with a few less commies, but don't expect the rest of us to not fight back.
Yes, but there are several different kinds of terrorists, terrorist groups and targets. Generally, most of them are not terribly concerned with the United States. There are more groups who are concerned with Israel, being right at their borders as they are, than with us. 9/11 notwithstanding, that attack does not indicate that all or even a majority of the different terrorist groups out there want to attack the United States. That is just a paranoid assumption on the part of scared Americans. The terrorist group that was operating in Iraq was the MEK, which was directed against Iran and the Kurds. He didn't even start funding terrorism against Israel until after we made it clear this year that war was inevitable in Iraq. There has never been any real indication that Iraq was tied to terrorist groups who were bothered with the US.
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Does anyone here know Bill Clinton? If so, will they go ask him what the definition of "Lied" is? Once we find that out, then maybe we can determine if Bush lied or not.
It hardly matters. He was already impeached. The question was whether or not Bush should be impeached for his own ... uh ... creative liberties. You can attempt to divert attention from Bush back to Clinton all you like, but Clinton was already impeached, so you would just be shooting blanks, so to speak.
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