Originally posted by BillyBob
Skeptic;
The world was becoming somewhat safer, until the illegal preemptive invasion of Iraq.
Billy;
You are blaming the US for the terrorism against it.
Not the entire US, just Bush, his neocons, and those who supported the invasion.
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You actually think that terrorism would have ended if we hadn't gone to Iraq.
Terrorism will never end. All we can do is try to keep it at a minimum. If we hadn't gone to Iraq, the threat of terrorism would be less than it is now.
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You actually think that Saddam was not training terrorist while we ALL know he was. Camps were found in Iraq including one that trained them to hijack planes using a plane fuselage.
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Almost immediately after September 11th, the I.N.C. began to publicize the stories of defectors who claimed that they had information connecting Iraq to the attacks. In an interview on October 14, 2001, conducted jointly by the Times and Frontline,” the public-television program, Sabah Khodada, an Iraqi Army captain, said that the September 11th operation was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam,” and that Iraq had a program to instruct terrorists in the art of hijacking. Another defector, who was identified only as a retired lieutenant general in the Iraqi intelligence service, said that in 2000 he witnessed Arab students being given lessons in hijacking on a Boeing 707 parked at an Iraqi training camp near the town of Salman Pak, south of Baghdad.
In separate interviews with me, however, a former C.I.A. station chief and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for counter- terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were routinely hijacking aircraft. In 1986, an Iraqi airliner was seized by pro-Iranian extremists and crashed, after a hand grenade was triggered, killing at least sixty-five people. (At the time, Iran and Iraq were at war, and America favored Iraq.) Iraq then sought assistance from the West, and got what it wanted from Britain’s MI6. The C.I.A. offered similar training in counter-terrorism throughout the Middle East. We were helping our allies everywhere we had a liaison,” the former station chief told me. Inspectors recalled seeing the body of an airplane---which appeared to be used for counter-terrorism training---when they visited a biological-weapons facility near Salman Pak in 1991, ten years before September 11th. It is, of course, possible for such a camp to be converted from one purpose to another. The former C.I.A. official noted, however, that terrorists would not practice on airplanes in the open. That’s Hollywood rinky-dink stuff,” the former agent said. They train in basements. You don’t need a real airplane to practice hijacking. The 9/11 terrorists went to gyms. But to take one back you have to practice on the real thing.”
Salman Pak was overrun by American troops on April 6th. Apparently, neither the camp nor the former biological facility has yielded evidence to substantiate the claims made before the war.
Saddam was known to supply money to terrorists. Now he can't. WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!
A minor player, not worthy of a full-scale illegal preemptive invasion.
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I will remind you one more time that your pal, Bill Clinton bombed Iraq a couple of times because they were a threat, did that increase terroriosm?
It was hardly a full-scale illegal preemptive invasion.
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The UN also agreed that Saddam had WMD and Tony Blair concurred.
There are lots of people who believed in the hype floating around in segments of the intelligence community.
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Last year, terrorist attacks were at their lowest rate in over 30 years.
Calm before the storm? What has not been reported?
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Skeptic, it's people like you are going to get the rest of us killed. Shut up, sit down and get out of the way, we can handle this without you. Go back to your basement, smoke another joint and look at your collection of Blue Boy magazines while your Mom is upstairs pouring you a bowl of Fruity Pebbles.
No, it's people like YOU, BillyBob, who are going to get the rest of us killed!
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
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Iraq was NOT a significant terrorist threat to America!
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For being such a big Skeptic you sure are awfully confident about something you likey know NOTHING about.
Iraq IS NO LONGER a significant threat to America now that Sadam Insane is gone.
Roger,
Is this what Skeptic said?
I can not believe such folly. My goodness don't you think Saddam was really sore after we beat his pants off in the gulf war? (why are now some of my posts rhyming?-thanks Dimo you are a real pal). I think he was none too pleased.
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June 20th, 2003, 03:13 PM
Billy;
You are blaming the US for the terrorism against it.
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Skeptic;
Not the entire US, just Bush, his neocons, and those who supported the invasion.
Billy;
So the terrorist attack against the World Trade Center in '93 was because of Bush and his neocon buddies?
What, DID OSAMA HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL!???!!!!
How about the USS Cole? I GUESS OSAMA HAD A OUIJI BOARD!!!!
Billy;
The UN also agreed that Saddam had WMD and Tony Blair concurred.
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Skeptic;
There are lots of people who believed in the hype floating around in segments of the intelligence community.
Billy;
Yes, the UN, Bush, Blair, the CIA, Clinton, Daschle, ....they were all wrong and you Bush hating neo-libs are suddenly right.
You are a friggin retard but I still love ya. Maybe some day you will get your story straight, until then, keep 'em coming.
How's it going with the evolution debate? Do you see that it is endless? As you know, I agree with you on that topic but it is pointless to me to argue it. Besides, most of the people I would be arguing against are people who I agree with on almost every other issue. I would rather strike relationships that bear fruit and stay away from a subject that is disputable. Kind of a Romans 14 thing....
Originally posted by RogerB
For being such a big Skeptic you sure are awfully confident about something you likey know NOTHING about.
Iraq IS NO LONGER a significant threat to America now that Sadam Insane is gone.
Can you show that he was a significant threat to us? Don't just go aping the words of a lying administration either. Show us some actual, indisputable facts, not just some baseless and unsupported assertions. Please?
Originally posted by Eireann
Can you show that he was a significant threat to us? Don't just go aping the words of a lying administration either. Show us some actual, indisputable facts, not just some baseless and unsupported assertions. Please?
Eireann,
Please. I am not picking on you. I promise but you are not specific enough with one of your statements and it can leave one wondering. Which administration? Saddams?
Please. I am not picking on you. I promise but you are not specific enough with one of your statements and it can leave one wondering. Which administration? Saddams?
The Bush administration, which told us they had hard evidence that they did not have, that they had already found things they had not found, and even quoted an admitted forgery in the State of the Union Address, which they touted as proof of the strength of Saddam's WMD program. So what I'm looking for is something that's actually TRUE, not just something the administration once lied about.
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June 20th, 2003, 04:05 PM
How about the Clinton administration? Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt all said that saddam was a threat and even launched missles at him. Did Saddam suddenly become inert? Did it happen the same day GW took office?
Originally posted by BillyBob
How about the Clinton administration? Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt all said that saddam was a threat and even launched missles at him. Did Saddam suddenly become inert? Did it happen the same day GW took office?
The Clinton lies are kind of a non-issue, since he's already been impeached.
Originally posted by BillyBob
Yes, but he also had the same intelligence sources that Bush has. Everything points to Saddam having been dangerous and a threat to us.
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Originally posted by One Eyed Jack
Man, you guys are going to get apoplectic if he wins the next election, ain't ya?
If Bush wins the next election, this will mean there is something terribly wrong with our society!
It could only mean that conservative corporate media moguls, recently bolstered by new Republican-backed FCC policies, can help their party out-spend the Democrats by tens of millions of dollars on their right-wing brainwashing campaign.
The Bush Lies: "When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Originally posted by Skeptic
If Bush wins the next election, this will mean there is something terribly wrong with our society!
It could only mean that conservative corporate media moguls, recently bolstered by new Republican-backed FCC policies, can help their party out-spend the Democrats by tens of millions of dollars on their right-wing brainwashing campaign.
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