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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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Freewill Choices -
January 27th, 2012, 07:35 PM
We choose our actions with our will, a faculty of the human mind. (Does anyone object? I may error here.)
I believe I make choices, but do not believe in freewill.
What is a "freewill choice"? As opposed to what a choice is without freewill.
What are the issues?
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 07:49 PM
If the will is a faculty of the mind, then it is the mind.
But we have thoughts in our heart and mind, and we make choices.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Is the will our choice making center?
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sky.
I don't think so because we still have to deal with the flesh.
I'm not sure what you mean here. What you have said makes me think of "the flesh" and "the Spirit".
We should do things according to the will of God.
I believe the Spirit of God reveals to us the will of God.
I don't know what you mean by "we still have to deal with the flesh". I know I am talking about if we make choices with our will, and if the will is a part of the mind.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
I'm not sure what you mean here. What you have said makes me think of "the flesh" and "the Spirit".
We should do things according to the will of God.
I believe the Spirit of God reveals to us the will of God.
I don't know what you mean by "we still have to deal with the flesh". I know I am talking about if we make choices with our will, and if the will is a part of the mind.
I think the flesh and the will of God is what we always deal with. It is no different now than it was for Adam and Eve.
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sky.
I think the flesh and the will of God is what we always deal with. It is no different now than it was for Adam and Eve.
The will of God is important, but its existence does not mean I don't make choices.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 08:19 PM
That sounds like I make choices in spite of the will of God, which I of course hope is not the case.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Slogan/motto:
Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sky.
What I was taught is that Gods moral will is what He desires most from us.
I believe there is Biblical evidence to support that God's will is God's desire for us. will -> desire. Is the word used other ways, I wonder.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Slogan/motto:
Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 08:35 PM
2 Timothy 2:26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.
"to do his will" = to do what he wants/desires
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Slogan/motto:
Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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January 27th, 2012, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nang
Man is a free willful agent, but God has created him within moral parameters (Holy Laws), which man cannot violate or exceed, without consequence.
Thus, it cannot and should not be taught that man is truly free to do all that he might want to do.
Man is restricted by the commands of God, which not only reveal the will and purpose for man, but also the limitations of man.
God is sovereign over man in all things.
Nang
Our actions, which are the product of our choices in how to act, have consequence. Our thoughts have consequences.
Do we make choices? I believe we do. I also believe we should make the choices God wants (wills?) us to make.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Man is a free willful agent, but God has created him within moral parameters (Holy Laws), which man cannot violate or exceed, without consequence.
Thus, it cannot and should not be taught that man is truly free to do all that he might want to do.
Man is restricted by the commands of God, which not only reveal the will and purpose for man, but also the limitations of man.
God is sovereign over man in all things.
Ng
Yes Nang, God is Sovereign over all things because He made the rules. Even from Adam and Eve they did not obey. Yet God had their best interest in mind. Man is restricted or there are consequences for their choices. If God didn't give a "you may" or "you may not" then we would not have had a choice. Our obedience is proven by our ability to choose. Yet we are not left without help or a Redeemer.
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