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Taliban leader Mullah Omar ‘sent letter to Barack Obama’ - February 4th, 2012, 08:16 AM

[Taliban leader Mullah Omar ‘sent letter to Barack Obama’ The Telegraph – Barney Henderson] "Taliban supreme leader Mullah Omar and President Barack Obama

Taliban leader Mullah Omar purportedly sent a letter to President Barack Obama last year indicating an interest in peace talks, US officials have claimed.

The unsigned letter from the one-eyed preacher was passed through a Taliban intermediary in July and was considered authentic by current and former US officials.

“As we have engaged various interlocutors as part of the reconciliation process, we have received a variety of messages that were represented as being from senior members of the Taliban,” an administration official said on condition of anonymity.

“However, we haven’t received a letter that we are certain is from Mullah Omar.”

A direct message from the leader of the Taliban would raise hopes that the group is interested in a peaceful solution to the ten-year war in Afghanistan.

The message reportedly expressed impatience that the White House had not yet transferred five former senior Taliban officials out of Guantanamo Bay military prison.

US officials have been considering moving the detainees to Afghan custody in Qatar as one of a series of good-faith measures that, if successful, could lead to talks on Afghanistan’s future between militants and the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

On Wednesday, Leon Panetta, US defense secretary, announced the United States wants to end its combat role in Afghanistan by the middle of next year and switch to an “advice and assist” role with the Afghan army.

Last month a team of senior Taliban diplomats arrived in Qatar in preparation for the opening of a political office to host the negotiations.

A Taliban declaration earlier this month that the movement would open an office “to come to an understanding with other nations” is seen as the most significant political breakthrough in the conflict..." Full text: Taliban leader Mullah Omar ‘sent letter to Barack Obama’

Should we be negotiating with terrorists? Were our efforts worth it?






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February 4th, 2012, 08:51 AM

I'm curious, is there some sort of gauge I can use to determine how insane you are, in relation to how much you can cut & paste and how little you can actually say?

I'd been trying to fit reality into the equation, but I've realized that's an absurd prospect.

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February 4th, 2012, 09:01 AM

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I'm curious, is there some sort of gauge I can use to determine how insane you are, in relation to how much you can cut & paste and how little you can actually say?

I'd been trying to fit reality into the equation, but I've realized that's an absurd prospect.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Any thoughts on negotiating with terrorists or pulling out of Afghanistan?






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Any thoughts on negotiating with terrorists or pulling out of Afghanistan?
Are you asking me or yourself?





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I'm curious, is there some sort of gauge I can use to determine how insane you are, in relation to how much you can cut & paste and how little you can actually say?

I'd been trying to fit reality into the equation, but I've realized that's an absurd prospect.

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The "reality" is that Barack Hussein Obama has a history of having radical/terrorist friends.

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_...eived-the.html

Refute it or go play elsewhere.





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[War in Afghanistan: negotiating with terrorists? Exit strategy? Were our efforts worth it?] "Are you asking me or yourself?"
I am asking anyone who would participate in the discussion. I know what I think.






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The "reality" is that Barack Hussein Obama has a history of having radical/terrorist friends...
The Taliban is waiting for our withdrawal. We plan to do just that. At least we're on the same page.






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February 4th, 2012, 12:07 PM

I'm not sure if a peaceful resolution can be reached, but if the Taliban are reaching out for peace it is certainly worth holding talks at the very least



   
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"I'm not sure if a peaceful resolution can be reached..."
Let me help you out--the answer is no. A peaceful solution cannot be reached with these people (Ge 16:12).

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"...but if the Taliban are reaching out for peace it is certainly worth holding talks at the very least..."
Think they'll say that Israel has the right to exist any time soon? Think they'll stop sawing people's heads off because we ask pretty, pretty please?






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February 4th, 2012, 12:23 PM

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The "reality" is that Barack Hussein Obama has a history of having radical/terrorist friends.
This guy?



You sure about that? Terrorists would probably love to go back to the republicans who didn't care where they were. Obama has been systematically taking them out, one after another.

You're probably thinking of Bush who has business and social connections with the bin Ladens.





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February 4th, 2012, 12:41 PM

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Let me help you out--the answer is no. A peaceful solution cannot be reached with these people (Ge 16:12).
Given their views it is unlikely, though the US and the Taliban have worked together in the past. I think if the US wants to withdraw from Afghanistan they must reach at least some sort of agreement with the Taliban. Afterall wars do often end in peace talks

Think they'll say that Israel has the right to exist any time soon? Think they'll stop sawing people's heads off because we ask pretty, pretty please? [/quote]

The possibility of peace should certainly not be discarded out of hand. However I think it should be the Afghan goverment that leads the peace talks



   
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You sure about that? Terrorists would probably love to go back to the republicans who didn't care where they were. Obama has been systematically taking them out, one after another.

You're probably thinking of Bush who has business and social connections with the bin Ladens.
So Barbarian wants to turn this into a "But the republicans had terrorist friends too!" debate.

Osama bin Laden was a supposed allie of the US when the Soviets were invading Afghanistan; and we can all thank B. Hussein Obama for personally hunting him down and sending him to enjoy his 72 virgins. If it weren't for his skills he developed from handing out foodstamps on the southside of Chicago as a community organizer, I doubt that he could have ever done it.

Back to Obama's terrorist connections:






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[Peace] "Given their views it is unlikely..."
When they agree that Israel has the right to exist, I'm sure we'll get the memo. Until then, they understand one thing--force.






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Revelation 20:4 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

I believe this to be a future event, and only muslims like the taliban still behead people.

I wouldn't doubt obama would make deals with terrorists like that - i think its all leading toward to the end to be honest.



   
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So Barbarian wants to turn this into a "But the republicans had terrorist friends too!" debate.
No, I'm pointing out that Obama changed U.S. policy from "I don't care where Osama is" to "Let's get him." A much better policy regarding terrorism, I think.

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Osama bin Laden was a supposed allie of the US when the Soviets were invading Afghanistan
So Ollie North was telling us. A freedom fighter, as Reagan put it.

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and we can all thank B. Hussein Obama for personally hunting him down and sending him to enjoy his 72 virgins. If it weren't for his skills he developed from handing out foodstamps on the southside of Chicago as a community organizer, I doubt that he could have ever done it.
Bush had the same capability that Obama had. He just lacked the will to do it.

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There’s Osama bin Laden, of course, killed in May.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Anwar al-Awlaki as of today.

Earlier this month officials confirmed that al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, was killed in Waziristan, Pakistan.

In August, ‘Atiyah ‘Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed.

In June, one of the group’s most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan. In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa’ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed. In Somalia, Al-Qa’ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed.

Administration officials also herald the recent U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta.

Going back to August 2009, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan.

In September of that month, Jemayah Islamiya operational planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan was killed in Somalia.

Then in December 2009 in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and ‘Abdallah Sa’id were killed.

In February 2010, in Pakistan, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed; and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed.

In March 2010, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni was killed in Pakistan, while senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed during a raid in Indonesia.

In April 2010, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed.

In May, al Qaeda’s number three commander, Sheik Saeed al-Masri was killed.

In June 2010 in Pakistan, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...n-obamas-belt/

Wow. That is a lot of connections. Who'd have guessed there would be so many?





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