Spanking kids can cause long-term harm: Canada study -
February 12th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Here are some excerpts from the article:
"Spanking children can cause long-term developmental damage and may even lower a child's IQ, according to a new Canadian analysis that seeks to shift the ethical debate over corporal punishment into the medical sphere."
"We're really past the point of calling this a controversy. That's a word that's used and I don't know why, because in the research there really is no controversy..."
"If we had this level of consistency in findings in any other area of health, we would be acting on it. We'd be pulling out all the stops to work on the issue."
I'm very wary of the government involving itself in parental discipline.
As long as it doesn't cross the line into physical abuse, it should be left up to the discretion of the parent. Sometimes that line is very fuzzy, I admit.
I could never have felt comfortable or righteous doing what seemed, for all intents and purposes, like hitting my child under the color of parental authority.
I saw that article, and could not help but note that, unlike most articles posted to Yahoo, this one could NOT be commented on.
The simple truth is that the entire study is total nonsense. Don't need to see it to know that. Raised in a house with spanking, and it didn't cause any behavioral or intelligence issues. In fact, regarding the later, every single one of us kids are well above the average in IQ. Same thing with my own kids. The oldest, who had her share of spanking, has a very high IQ. The rest of the kids are high as well.
The thing is, these types want to control parents, to prevent parents from properly disciplining their children, and then condemning the parents when the children get into trouble. Then they can step in and take over, and that is THE goal.
Such studies invariably call any spanking "abuse". We can't discount the fact that this attacks the Bible, either.
It doesn't cause as many long term effects as not doing it.
There are other ways to discipline a child without resorting to physically striking them.
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I'd be curious to see the study. My chief concern would be in seeing how well they isolated correlative causes of lower IQ.
From my experience (admittedly, nowhere near a scientifically apt sample size), parents who hit their children tend to have lower IQ than parents who discipline them using other methods (but higher than those who don't discipline them at all). They also tend to be of lower economic standing, tend to have more children, etc. - All of which have also been correlated with a host of inferior achievements in children.
IOW, spanking may be a symptom, rather the cause.
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"Spanking children can cause long-term developmental damage and may even lower a child's IQ, according to a new Canadian analysis that seeks to shift the ethical debate over corporal punishment into the medical sphere."
"We're really past the point of calling this a controversy. That's a word that's used and I don't know why, because in the research there really is no controversy..."
"If we had this level of consistency in findings in any other area of health, we would be acting on it. We'd be pulling out all the stops to work on the issue."
From their point of view it is true. As we know, they tell lies saying right wingers are just dumb. Then equate said conservatives with racial bigotry. When we know the opposite is true. Newton is a creationist.
Anyway, it is true for them because spanking your child when they are bad will boost their morale, increase humility, and make them think twice over whether or not punishment is worth breaking rules. And that is bad, as far as liberals are concerned.
My IQ is 140, and I was beaten nearly every day. I went to school with a concussion one day just so I wouldn't miss out on my perfect attendance achievement at the end of the year. They sent me home early because I was cross-eyed and throwing up, but I toughed it out for half the day at least. And I got my award.
And it sounds like you were abused, Jack. I don't wish that experience on any child.
Yes, it's possible for spanking to be used effectively, but I'm not so sure it's the best or most effective way to discipline children. And I was raised in a spanking environment. Strikes me as outdated and pretty unhealthy, overall.
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February 13th, 2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by One Eyed Jack
My IQ is 140, and I was beaten nearly every day. I went to school with a concussion one day just so I wouldn't miss out on my perfect attendance achievement at the end of the year. They sent me home early because I was cross-eyed and throwing up, but I toughed it out for half the day at least. And I got my award.
I remember every one of the "spankings" I received at the hands of my angry father.
One time I thought he was going to throw me down the stairs and I gave him such a virulent hate-filled look that he stopped in his track.
I have made peace with my own hatred for him. I was kind to him at the end of his life and I thank God for that gift.
There is another, and I think better, way to look at the verse which inspired this popular saying:
To begin with, this "verse," as quoted, isn't in the Bible. The closest verse like it is Proverbs 13:24 which reads, "Those who spare the rod, hate their children, but the one who loves their child disciplines them diligently." The question is, what was the use of the rod, and is it a directive or a metaphor? The use of the word rod in this passage is the same one used in the 23rd Psalm where we read, "Your rod and your staff comfort me." We may rightfully assume that the rod of a shepherd is at least similar in type and use to that in the proverb.
I'll be the first to admit that I've heard variations of this proverb used by both clergy and laity alike to justify corporal punishment, but the use of the rod by shepherds did not generally include beating the sheep. The fact is, the rod and staff were the two implements utilized by professional shepherds of the day. The staff, which we are most familiar with, has a "crook" or "hook" on the end which was used to stop running sheep, help pull sheep up from rocky places when they'd fallen over, and so on. The rod was used when corralling the sheep to insure they went in the direction they were supposed to go. It wasn't used to prod or poke, but to direct along the length of the shaft.
Read the rest at the link. It's short, yet thoughtful.
Speaking as a mother of 5, children need direction and correction. My experience teaches me that the rod is better used to guide than to spank. All you have to do is keep them occupied and redirect and warn. The question is not to spank or not to spank, in my mind, the question is how best can you reach your child? And it's about learning to recognize their natural limitations.
If they don't get it at first, they need to grow, then consequences do sink in once the child has reached an age to accept an appropriate message.
It all takes time. Some babies learn quickly to not do certain things, some take years to become as sensitive as their quick learning, observant siblings. I found it better, for example to get rid of a potted plant with one baby, because she would not just play with the dirt once or twice. There was no teaching her. All we could do was give it away. She would never play with the plants, now, because she's 4 and we can talk to her in full sentences. So any time we want another potted plant, we're good to go. It took no rod to beat the idea into her.
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