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February 21st, 2012, 08:04 AM

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So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. (Rom. 5:18)

You might want to read Revelation. Everyone is resurrected. Jesus and the apostles lay plainly that everyone will be brought back to life. The righteous enter into life, and the unrighteous experience krysis (judgment). They will be examined, but God is merciful and will no doubt reconcile sinners that repent.

Gehenna is the second death. It is literal called that in Revelation. To experience a second death, one must no doubt experience a second life - and if you read Revelation 20 that is precisely what is offered to every single human being. For a thousand years mankind will experience a theocracy led by God. Satan will be bound and unable to deceive anyone during that time.

After that theocratic order is ended and all are brought back into spiritual alignment, God will allow Satan to be released and attempt to thwart Him. Only after ALL of this is the entire world seated before the great white throne and judged. Seriously, go back and read Revelation 20. You're the one picking & choosing what to believe. And in case you're wondering, Satan is still loose and hoping people think God is a condemnatory bigot. He doesn't want people to believe they are saved. He wants them to believe God is unjust and cruel, that he punishes temporal, finite beings with infinite punishment.
Beware of the False Gospel of Universalism !





"All things turn out according to Divine predestination, "There is no such thing as chance or fortune, nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God, and to put our whole trust in Him, than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of predestination." Philipp Melanchthon
   
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February 21st, 2012, 08:26 AM

Everything must be interpreted in the light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In the light of the Gospel God clothes himself in human flesh and becomes one with us.

Jesus Christ is the new Adam and humanities representative. He comes into the world to do for us that which we cannot do for ourself.

By his righteous life he offers to God the Father a life of total obedience to his law. It is this life that justifies us, Romans 3:26.

By his death on the cross he atones for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

All that Jesus does he does for us, in our name, and on our behalf.

By his life and death he has reconciled us and the world unto God the Father, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

"JESUS IS LORD" he has overcome and has defeated sin, death, and the devil. God now sees all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ. We have been made complete "In Christ." Colossians 2:10.

Jesus Christ is God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

This is God's great free gift that is available to all men, Romans 5:18.

The gift is not yours if you do not accept it and make it yours.

No one needs to be predestinated. God in the person of Jesus Christ has reconciled all things unto himself, Colossians 1:13. Colossians 1:20.



   
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February 21st, 2012, 08:35 AM

So everyone is in fellowship with Christ, according to Mr. Pate. Sounds a bit like universal predestination.




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February 21st, 2012, 08:39 AM

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This is God's great free gift that is available to all men, Romans 5:18.
more of pates lies. Rom 5:18 says nothing close to : The free gift is available to all men "





"All things turn out according to Divine predestination, "There is no such thing as chance or fortune, nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God, and to put our whole trust in Him, than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of predestination." Philipp Melanchthon
   
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February 21st, 2012, 08:41 AM

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JESUS IS LORD" he has overcome and has defeated sin, death, and the devil. God now sees all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ
And this same jesus pate preaches about, millions for whom he died wind up in hell for their sins. he failed to save them..





"All things turn out according to Divine predestination, "There is no such thing as chance or fortune, nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God, and to put our whole trust in Him, than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of predestination." Philipp Melanchthon
   
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February 21st, 2012, 09:07 AM

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more of pates lies. Rom 5:18 says nothing close to : The free gift is available to all men "

I think I understand now. You can't read.

"Even so by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life," Romans 5:18.



   
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February 21st, 2012, 10:54 AM

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I think I understand now. You can't read.

"Even so by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life," Romans 5:18.
Thats right. Now show me where it says the free gift is available to all men !





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February 21st, 2012, 01:29 PM

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Thats right. Now show me where it says the free gift is available to all men !

If the "FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN" don't you think that it would be available to ALL MEN.

How about 1 Timothy 2:3, 4.

Or are you going to just play dumb? Instead of accepting the truth?



   
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No one needs to be holy.

1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;







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1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;



You can't be holy because you are a sinner. Try as you may you will fail.

So why is Peter exhorting us to be holy when we can't?

Is this in conflict with Paul who said, "For I know that in my flesh dwells no good thing." Romans 7:18.

Jesus said, "Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Are you perfect?

Christians are to be witnesses for Christ. Don't preach the Gospel if you don't have a life to back it up.

Anything in the Bible that tells us to do something is law. We are not called to live by laws or rules. We are called to live by the Spirit of Christ and not the letter of the law.



   
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If the "FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN" don't you think that it would be available to ALL MEN.

How about 1 Timothy 2:3, 4.

Or are you going to just play dumb? Instead of accepting the truth?
There is no scripture that says " The free gift is available to all men " Thats the scripture perversion of pateism ! 1 Tim 2:3-4 does not say the free gift is available to all men.





"All things turn out according to Divine predestination, "There is no such thing as chance or fortune, nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God, and to put our whole trust in Him, than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of predestination." Philipp Melanchthon
   
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Jesus said, "Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Are you perfect?

Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.






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There is no scripture that says " The free gift is available to all men " Thats the scripture perversion of pateism ! 1 Tim 2:3-4 does not say the free gift is available to all men.
As usual, you have chosen to play dumb.

If God has reconciled the world unto himself doesn't it make sense that the free gift of salvation is available to ALL MEN? Colossians 1:21, 22.

Did not Jesus say, "When I am lifted up I will draw ALL MEN unto myself" John 12:32.

John 1:7, "The same came for a witness, of the light that ALL MEN through him might believe."

1 Timothy 4:10, "Who is the savior of ALL MEN."



   
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Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Again, this is law. It is just like when Jesus said, "Be perfect"

Anything in the Bible that tells you to do something is law.

The reason that Christian are not under laws and rules is because Christ has fulfilled the law for us. He took us out from under it because it was contrary to us. We can't do it, Colossians 2:14.



   
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If God has reconciled the world unto himself doesn't it make sense that the free gift of salvation is available to ALL MEN?
There is no scripture that says the gift of salvationis available to all men !

Rom 5:18 says

even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Since when does came upon means made available fool..





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