[jerzy]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

... Keypurr you have fallen prey to the doctrines of man here.

Please give keypurr peace.

His bran drain (his age) and pain killers are behind it, as he said.

Keypurr was a fine man when he was “well”.

Let him alone, please.

Let the vultures tear him into pieces because he is defenceless now.

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by Apple7

They were created by a Triune Creator...

Your blasphemous statements take you here:

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Let's see:

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Nothing about Satan, just your fable.

Satan is not mentioned in any of those texts, just your fable.

Who is Satan?

It is so because you have no idea who Hiram was, what he did to King Solomon, what he got in turn and what he did with it.

So you reckon that the "a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads" is your idol Satan.

How you know it, life?

Do you know what a horn signifies in the OT?

Did you ever read Da 7 or Re 17?

Wasn't Jesus perhaps referring to the Jewish authority?

Were not Jews called priences?

Did you ever bother to compare 2Cor 4:4 with Mt 11:25 and 2Th 2:11?

Does 2Cor 4:4 mention Satan at all?

Who was he?

Destroy works of not "him".

Satan condems his own?

Hmmm!!!!

And you know it from your favourite fable teller.



And you rejected God's word on Jn 10:10 to be able to peddle the pagan fable.

And who was the great red dragon of Re 12 you said?

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Clearly people.



Perhaps like this?

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Total KJV Occurrences: 27
satan, 19
1Ch_21:1, Job_1:6-9 (5), Job_1:12 (2), Job_2:1-4 (5), Job_2:6-7 (2), Psa_109:6, Zec_3:1-2 (3)
adversary, 6
Num_22:22, 1Ki_5:4 (2), 1Ki_11:14, 1Ki_11:23, 1Ki_11:25
adversaries, 1
2Sa_19:22
withstand, 1
Num_22:32

Never noticed this parallel text?

2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

Who were appearing before the LORD? Were the Jews not to appear before the LORD for various reasons? Where they were appearing?

Who was Satan?

Like at the right hand of Paul?

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Who was Satan?

Perhaps an angel of the LORD?

Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants were with him.

Who was Satan?

Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Who was bruised in the year 70 AD?

So Satan leads to salvation.



Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Was Paul aware of the Jewish devices? Do you remember his road to Damascus?

What was the Jewish position on Jesus?

So you know that a messenger of Satan made sure that Paul didn’t exalt himself; that Paul didn’t sin.



How exactly Satan hindered the? Were the Jews hunting them perhaps?

What was the working of Satan? Who had the power to send Jesus to the cross and kill his followers?

Satan toughed them not to blasphemy?????

Let me end here responding to your thumb sacking..

You neither know who Satan is, where he came from or what God is talking.

However, you peddle the pagan fables well.

Thank you for the compliment that I peddle the pagan fables well. That means that the Lord gave you the answers you were looking for. Praise be to His Name.

[Wile E. Coyote]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

I've mostly held my peace about this subject, but Keypurr you have fallen prey to the doctrines of man here. We are spirit too. Jesus was spirit yet had a mortal tabernacle while here. Scripture is VERY plain here. So I have to hand it to Wile, he has divined yet another truth against the grain using scripture - I don't know for sure, maybe it rubbed off from me! Here is yet another scripture: when Stephen was stoned he saw Jesus on the right hand of God the Father - So the Father was not an invisible spirit in his vision. Acts 7:55. Wile is right about the John 4 verse - Jesus was saying that Heavenly Father wants us to worship him in spirit not letter of the law. He wasn't saying God has no form - we are in their image. Of course I posted this long ago, so it's possible the spirit confirmed this for Wile.

I said that God was corporeal. I did not infer that His corporeality consists of flesh and blood or that His shape is like ours. Jesus told them that God has "shape." But note that Jesus ALSO told them, "You have not seen His shape." If our shape was God's shape as you suggest, then it is not true that they had not not seen His shape.

Think for once Rev! And please don't misrepresent me again.

[lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by jerzy

When Satan appeared to you the last time?

Personally, never.

However, the Bible says,

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" (2 Cor. 11:14).

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by lifeisgood

Thank you for the compliment that I peddle the pagan fables well. That means that the Lord gave you the answers you were looking for. Praise be to His Name.

I always am.



Perhaps you re-think what you have said so far and ask yourself if your fallen angel Satan really exists. Who told you this story? You certainly didn't find it in God's word.

Then look in a mirror. Who you see? Perhaps a man who opposes God by peddling fables making blasphemous statements attributing God’s Kingdom, power and glory to his stupid idol?

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by lifeisgood

Personally, never.

However, the Bible says,

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" (2 Cor. 11:14).

The only problem is that you are stubborn to admit that God doesn’t mention a fallen angel Satan.

The only problem is that Jesus always spoke to the “multitude” in parables and you don’t know why.

The only problem is that Jesus came to blind those who “see” and you are blinded alone with them.

So who is Satan of 2Cor 11:14?

Who sent Jesus to the cross?

Whom Paul persecuted before his conversion on the way to Damascus?

Who persecuted Paul (and the followers of Jesus) after his conversion?

What were the beasts of Ephesus Paul mentions?

Anyway, read the scriptures instead of repeating silly pagan fables you heard from the fable peddlers.

[lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by keypurr

I have Already posted what the NET Bible says and the fact that scholars differ on the interpretation of firstborn.

Colossians 1:15 can be looked at with either a closed mind or an open one. The words are simple to see but man in his wisdom wants to see something more of a mystery. This verse is quite clear, God made an image of himself. It was God's first creation. Why do you find excuses to change the words. It fits very well with Hebrews 1 which tells us the same thing. God made an image of himself and used it to create everything else. Notice in Colossians 1 that God was pleased that IT had the fullness of his deity. What does that mean to you? In Philippians 2 he is called a form of God. Not God but a form of. This friend is the Christ spirit that God put into Jesus.

Revelation is a book of symbols used in prophecy, many disagree on what it says. However we know that both God and Jesus are the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. Jesus is the first creation, he is the first in rank. He is a form of God.

Open up your mind as to what could be the correct understanding of Colossians 1, judge for yourself what it is telling you. Think about who the "us" could be in Genesis. I tell you what I see there, I see God the Father and his Christ spirit.

God bless

Have you not read 1 John 1:1-3?

1 John 1:1 — What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we beheld and our hands handled, concerning the Word of Life
1 John 1:2 — and the life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us
1 John 1:3 — what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed OUR FELLOWSHIP IS WITH THE FATHER, AND WITH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST."

1 John 2:23 — Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

Have you noticed that 1 John 1:2 states, "and the life was manifested." In other words, the life was revealed.

It does not say or infer the plan, thought or idea of God was manifested.

But that ‘life was manifested’ and this is perfectly consistent with John 1:4, "In Him was life, and the life was the light of men."

Do you have fellowship with God the Father?
Do you have fellowship with Jesus Christ, His Son?

If so, then how is it that Jesus Christ is NOT God?
How can you have fellowship with someone who is invisible, is everywhere you go, but yet is NOT God?

How about Romans 8:8 --- "and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 8:9 --- However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. BUT IF ANYONE DOES NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he does not belong to HIM.
Romans 8:10 --- And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Romans 8:11 --- But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies THROUGH HIS SPIRIT WHO INDWELLS YOU."

Does the Spirit of Christ (also called here in this passage, "the Spirit of God") dwells in you?

"YES?"

Then how is it that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT God?

I mean, how can a spirit who is called "the Spirit of God" in the Bible dwell in you and in others and yet NOT actually BE God?

"NO?"

Are you simply saying ‘no’ for the sake of simply saying ‘no’ or are you simply redefining what the meaning of ‘to have’ the Spirit of God also known as the ‘Spirit of Christ’ dwelling in you mean?

Do you understand that you are, according to Romans 8:9, "none of His" if you responded simply by saying ‘no’?

The context of the passages clearly shows that Jesus Christ is not some man-ONLY creature SIMPLY filled with the Holy Spirit without measure because if He is, then you cannot have the Spirit of Christ/Spirit of God like the text teaches dwelling in you.

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by lifeisgood

Have you not read 1 John 1:1-3?

Jn 1:1-3 neither mentions that God is Trinity no that Jesus is God. You just infer this disregarding hundreds of proof texts (having none in support of your crocked theology) stating absolutely to the contrary.

Have you not read this?

The reason our Bibles translate logos as word is that Jerome, a monk of the early fifth century, mistranslated it as verbum. Jerome’s Vulgate, as it is called, became the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church, and the texts Jerome used have become the mainstay of contemporary liberal versions. The Latin term Verbum became Word in English.
http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=255.

The entire superstructure of the Vatican system is built on sinking sand . . . and not on the Rock of Ages....Every corrupt practice and doctrine can be traced back to the Latin Vulgate of Jerome.
In 382, Jerome was commissioned by Pope Damasus to revise the popular Latin translation of the Bible in use since at least 150 A.D.
Eventually, his perversion replaced the Old Latin Version.
It was called the Latin Vulgate and became the official version of the Vatican and the foundation of all their damnable heresies.
The Council of Trent condemns every other translation of the Bible except for the Latin Vulgate:
http://www.reformation.org/latin-vulgate-unmasked.html

Have you not read this?

Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men, 14 And the same word became fleshe, and dwelt among vs ( and we sawe the glory of it, as the glory of the only begotten sonne of the father) full of grace and trueth.

Geneva 1587:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.


Have you not read this?

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word (rhema – utterance. Never Jesus) of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)

Rev 20:4 …for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God…

[lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Jn 1:1-3 neither mentions that God is Trinity no that Jesus is God. You just infer this disregarding hundreds of proof texts (having none in support of your crocked theology) stating absolutely to the contrary.

Have you not read this?

The reason our Bibles translate logos as word is that Jerome, a monk of the early fifth century, mistranslated it as verbum. Jerome’s Vulgate, as it is called, became the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church, and the texts Jerome used have become the mainstay of contemporary liberal versions. The Latin term Verbum became Word in English.
http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=255.

The entire superstructure of the Vatican system is built on sinking sand . . . and not on the Rock of Ages....Every corrupt practice and doctrine can be traced back to the Latin Vulgate of Jerome.
In 382, Jerome was commissioned by Pope Damasus to revise the popular Latin translation of the Bible in use since at least 150 A.D.
Eventually, his perversion replaced the Old Latin Version.
It was called the Latin Vulgate and became the official version of the Vatican and the foundation of all their damnable heresies.
The Council of Trent condemns every other translation of the Bible except for the Latin Vulgate:
http://www.reformation.org/latin-vulgate-unmasked.html

Have you not read this?

Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men, 14 And the same word became fleshe, and dwelt among vs ( and we sawe the glory of it, as the glory of the only begotten sonne of the father) full of grace and trueth.

Geneva 1587:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.


Have you not read this?

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word (rhema – utterance. Never Jesus) of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)

Rev 20:4 …for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God…

And your point is?

[Jason0047]

A. The Mercy of God.


~ God alone forgives sins!

In the Scriptures, four men carried a paralytic man to Jesus lying on a bed. Since they could not get near Jesus, they went up on the roof, removed the covering, and let the man down through the roof into Jesus' presence (Mark 2:2-4) (Luke 5:18-19).

Jesus told the man to cheer up because his sins were forgiven. This is just one of several occasions during Jesus' lifetime in which He claimed the power to directly forgive sins simply by speaking. (Luke 7:48-49) (Luke 23:43). No mere human being, with God's approval, before or after Jesus, ever claimed to have the power to directly speak people's sins forgiven. Not even Peter (Acts 8:22). Such power is possessed, not by men, but only by God. Yet Jesus clearly claimed it, even in the presence of these doctors of the law.

The Jewish scholars thought in their hearts that Jesus had spoken blasphemy, because only God can forgive sin (Mark 2:6-7) (Luke 5:21). It is true that only God can forgive sin. Hence, it is blasphemy today when men claim that they can directly forgive the sins of people who come to them to confess sin.

But the point missed by these Jewish leaders is that Jesus DOES possess Deity. There was no blasphemy in His statement, since God can forgive sins and Jesus was God in the flesh. Note that this is proved to be the case by the fact that Jesus immediately proceeded to do a miracle to prove His claim is valid.

But Jesus knew what these men thought in their hearts, so He set about to prove them wrong. The first thing He did to prove them wrong was to read the thoughts of their hearts. This is a power no man has (1 Corinthians. 2:10). Only God has the power (I Kings 8:39), yet Jesus possessed it (John 2:24).

B. The Judgment of God.


~ God alone is judge!

Isaiah 33:22 - "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us."

Deuteronomy 32:36 - "For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left."

Ecclesiastes 3:17 - "I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work"

Ezekiel 18:30 - "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin."

Jeremiah 17:10 - "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Revelation 3:20-21 - "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

~ Jesus alone is judge!

John 5:22 - "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son"

Sources:
http://www.gospelway.com/topics/god/...iving-sins.php

[oatmeal]

Originally Posted by Jason0047

A. The Mercy of God.


~ God alone forgives sins!

In these accounts, four men carried a paralytic man to Jesus lying on a bed. Since they could not get near Jesus, they went up on the roof, removed the covering, and let the man down through the roof into Jesus' presence (Mark 2:2-4) (Luke 5:18-19).

Jesus told the man to cheer up because his sins were forgiven. This is just one of several occasions during Jesus' lifetime in which He claimed the power to directly forgive sins simply by speaking. (Luke 7:48-49) (Luke*23:43). No mere human being, with God's approval, before or after Jesus, ever claimed to have the power to directly speak people's sins forgiven. Not even Peter (Acts 8:22). Such power is possessed, not by men, but only by God. Yet Jesus clearly claimed it, even in the presence of these doctors of the law.

The Jewish scholars thought in their hearts that Jesus had spoken blasphemy, because only God can forgive sin (Mark 2:6-7) (Luke 5:21). It is true that only God can forgive sin. Hence, it is blasphemy today when men claim that they can directly forgive the sins of people who come to them to confess sin.

But the point missed by these Jewish leaders is that Jesus DOES possess Deity. There was no blasphemy in His statement, since God can forgive sins and Jesus was God in the flesh. Note that this is proved to be the case by the fact that Jesus immediately proceeded to do a miracle to prove His claim is valid.

But Jesus knew what these men thought in their hearts, so He set about to prove them wrong. The first thing He did to prove them wrong was to read the thoughts of their hearts. This is a power no man has (1 Corinthians. 2:10). Only God has the power (I Kings 8:39), yet Jesus possessed it (John 2:24).

B. The Judgment of God.


~ God alone is judge!

Isaiah 33:22 - "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us."

Deuteronomy 32:36 - "For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left."

Ecclesiastes 3:17 - "I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work"

Ezekiel 18:30 - "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin."

Jeremiah 17:10 - "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Revelation 3:20-21 - "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. *To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

~ Jesus alone is judge!

John 5:22 - "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son"

Sources:
http://www.gospelway.com/topics/god/...iving-sins.php

You don't read scripture much, do you?

Matthew 18:21-22

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."

How many times should you forgive sins?

How many times should I forgive sins?

Luke 11:2-4

"And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."

Matthew 6:14-15

"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Mark 11:25-26

"And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Ephesians 4:32

"And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Seems you like to ignore those scriptures that destroy your theology.

You have not shown yourself approved unto God, you have not rightly divided the word of truth

Your opinion on judgement is equally erroneous.

Why do you do that? You have trinity colored glasses on when you read scripture. They are opaque,

oatmeal

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by lifeisgood

And your point is?

Hmmmm!!!

I thought that this is a Christian forum; that people speak here from God's word.

Anyway, could you, please, highlight in Jn 1:1-3 the part whereby is written that God is Trinity and that Jesus is God?

[lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Perhaps you re-think what you have said so far and ask yourself if your fallen angel Satan really exists. Who told you this story? You certainly didn't find it in God's word.

I have nothing to rethink. The Bible tells me that Satan exist. Besides all I have to do is look around and see Satan's works everywhere displayed in murderers, liars, blasphemers of God and His Son, etc.

Now, if you want to believe that Satan DOES NOT exist, please do so.

Originally Posted by jerzy

Then look in a mirror. Who you see? Perhaps a man who opposes God by peddling fables making blasphemous statements attributing God’s Kingdom, power and glory to his stupid idol?

When I look in the mirror I see a human being.

This human being attribute power ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY to God.

My God is the One Who created the heavens and the earth.

My God sent His Son so that I can approach God's throne with boldness and confidence, which I could not do before His Son came and died on the Cross so that the debt I owed God, that I could never, ever, pay, no matter how many deeds I do/did, could be stricken out of my account.

This human being did not and do not deserve anything that My God has done for me, but I thank Him every day and every hour and I am always thanking Him because if He had not chosen to shower His grace over this human being, there would be no hope for me.

Therefore,
I give ALL the glory to Him and to Him ONLY.
I give ALL the power, to Him and to Him ONLY.
I give ALL the honor to Him and to Him ONLY.

You, on the other hand, DO NOT have to believe my 'fables' as you call them.

[lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Hmmmm!!!

I thought that this is a Christian forum; that people speak here from God's word.

Anyway, could you, please, highlight in Jn 1:1-3 the part whereby is written that God is Trinity and that Jesus is God?

I already answered your inquiry.

I cannot give you what YOU want.