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II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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July 21st, 2012, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by godrulz
These verses are consistent with trinitarian views. Verses about His humanity do not negate ones about His Deity (that you are avoiding).
1x1x1=1 is more analogous. God is 3 in one sense (so 1+1+1= 3 personal distinctions, not 3 gods), but 1 in another sense (one nature of God). So, God is compound unity/diversity, not solitary. It does add up.
GR,
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These verses are consistent with trinitarian views. Verses about His humanity do not negate ones about His Deity (that you are avoiding).
It would be interesting to see how you would be able to twist them to say that.
Let's see how you would do that!
The following is my attempt to describe how you would do that.
1. Well, since the trinity is true because we believe it is, I Timothy 2:5 teaches it.
2. you would use non scriptural words to suggest your errors are true
a. since Jesus is fully God/fully man
b. since Jesus is God in the flesh
c. Since Mary is the mother of God and Jesus was his son, Jesus is God
d. Since Jesus is God the son
e. Since God is a triune
f. since God is made up of three persons
g. since we are right and you are wrong
h. since 1x1x1= 3
Or you would use logic based on faulty premises
3. Since Jesus is God because he has a name that contains reference to God
Your feeble attempts to destroy scripture are not winning God nor His son over to your side.
You might want to reconsider your loyalty to your pagan god/gods
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1x1x1=1 is more analogous. God is 3 in one sense (so 1+1+1= 3 personal distinctions, not 3 gods), but 1 in another sense (one nature of God). So, God is compound unity/diversity, not solitary. It does add up.
Really?
You have a scripture reference for 1x1x1=3 as a description for God?
You are right, any belief is your pagan gods that claims to have its basis in scriptures do not add up.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
I John 3:1-2. Prov 14:34 Psalm 133:1
Last edited by oatmeal; July 21st, 2012 at 06:25 AM.
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BR, there are about eight verses that say GOD raised Jesus from the dead. But there is NO verses that say he raised himself. I would think there would be at least ONE verse showing us he did it himself.
Maybe Apple7's Greek can help you find just ONE verse that say he did.
K:
God is triune, therefore God is going to use a language within the Scriptures that communicates His actions from a triune or multiple perspective. Looking at one side of the pyramid as if it was a two dimensional object only and ignoring the other sides of it does not prove your argument that the other sides of the pyramid does not exist, my friend.
For although there are Scriptures that talk about how God raised up Jesus, there are also verses that talk about how Jesus is the One who also has the power to raise Himself up from the dead, too.
Philippians Chapter 3 says "the power of HIS resurrection" and there is no mention of the Father having the power of resurrection within this verse.
Philippians 3:10 - "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;"
John Chapter 11 tells us that Jesus refers to Himself as the resurrection. It does not say the Father is the resurrection. Jesus clearly has possession of being the resurrection and the life.
John 11:25-26 - "...I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
In John Chapter 2, Jesus declares He will build the temple up again and does not say that His Father will rebuild it.
John 2:19 - "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Three times the Scriptures clearly declare Jesus is the resurrection.
Of course, the straight forward reading of these verses only make sense if you believe God is triune and Jesus was fully God so that He could be our resurrection.
However, if you do not believe Jesus is God then these verses have to be twisted or ignored beyond what they actually say.
God is triune, therefore God is going to use a language within the Scriptures that communicates His actions from a triune or multiple perspective. Looking at one side of the pyramid as if it was a two dimensional object only and ignoring the other sides of it does not prove your argument that the other sides of the pyramid does not exist, my friend.
For although there are Scriptures that talk about how God raised up Jesus, there are also verses that talk about how Jesus is the One who also has the power to raise Himself up from the dead, too.
Philippians Chapter 3 says "the power of HIS resurrection" and there is no mention of the Father having the power of resurrection within this verse.
Philippians 3:10 - "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;"
John Chapter 11 tells us that Jesus refers to Himself as the resurrection. It does not say the Father is the resurrection. Jesus clearly has possession of being the resurrection and the life.
John 11:25-26 - "...I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
In John Chapter 2, Jesus declares He will build the temple up again and does not say that His Father will rebuild it.
John 2:19 - "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Three times the Scriptures clearly declare Jesus is the resurrection.
Of course, the straight forward reading of these verses only make sense if you believe God is triune and Jesus was fully God so that He could be our resurrection.
However, if you do not believe Jesus is God then these verses have to be twisted or ignored beyond what they actually say.
I gave Keypurr John 2:19-21 and he danced around it.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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July 21st, 2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason0047
K:
God is triune, therefore God is going to use a language within the Scriptures that communicates His actions from a triune or multiple perspective. Looking at one side of the pyramid as if it was a two dimensional object only and ignoring the other sides of it does not prove your argument that the other sides of the pyramid does not exist, my friend.
For although there are Scriptures that talk about how God raised up Jesus, there are also verses that talk about how Jesus is the One who also has the power to raise Himself up from the dead, too.
Philippians Chapter 3 says "the power of HIS resurrection" and there is no mention of the Father having the power of resurrection within this verse.
Philippians 3:10 - "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;"
John Chapter 11 tells us that Jesus refers to Himself as the resurrection. It does not say the Father is the resurrection. Jesus clearly has possession of being the resurrection and the life.
John 11:25-26 - "...I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
In John Chapter 2, Jesus declares He will build the temple up again and does not say that His Father will rebuild it.
John 2:19 - "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Three times the Scriptures clearly declare Jesus is the resurrection.
Of course, the straight forward reading of these verses only make sense if you believe God is triune and Jesus was fully God so that He could be our resurrection.
However, if you do not believe Jesus is God then these verses have to be twisted or ignored beyond what they actually say.
Really?
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God is triune,
you have yet to show that from scriptures.
Interesting, first you declare your theology, then you go to the scriptures to prove it.
Trinitarians at their finest.
If you went to scripture first, you would not be trinitarians.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Not being a trinity believer you must understand why I disagree with you. The only point in this entire discusion was the whereabots of a verse that says Jesus did in fact raise himself. I don't know of any such verse, do you!
Jesus was sinless and he was a normal man. But he was the Son of God. And God put Christ IN Jesus. Christ is the express image of God. This surly is a great person hanging on the cross for our sins. He is the holy one of God. Satan has been beaten. His time is now numbered. But Jesus is not his father, he is an image of his father.
Peace friend
The Holy One is God, Keypurr, and He is the Rock on which you stumble.
Isaiah 30:15
For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.
2 Kings 19:22 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.
Psalm 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psalm 71:22
I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Wiley gives you a proof text and you call it "dribble."
John 2:19-21
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.
Your blindness remains, and you will answer for your willful ignorance on the Day of the Lord.
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