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Yes. I believe that as well however, my point is that that "flesh" didn't exist before it was born.
The Word, never returned to its former state of being having become one with that body and subjecting Himself to its frailties. The transfiguration proves that. . Because of the victorious life of the man, Jesus. His flesh won the day for the Word of God and that is why Jesus, with the Godhead now summed up in Him, will be coming again in clouds of glory as, Son of Man. This fulfills God's intention for ever having created man in the first place. I hope I made that clear. . .
Understand.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
Who was the Word in John 1? Jesus. He always had that Spirit in Him but emptied Himself and became a bond-servant.
Philippians 2 (NASB)
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
BR the logos in John 1 sounds to me like the Christ.
Notice, i used the word logos for I have yet to determine exactly how John was useing that word. Word or plan (thought) both fit.
There is no question in my mind that he was a form of God. We are trying to understand spiritual powers that re beyond our imagination. These powers are at war. Some good, some bad. Mankind is in the middle of them. But we do know they exsist. Spirits are at work as we speak my friend.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I can't wait to see what happens to this country next, since about 75% of the morons living in the USA worship multiple gods.......
Keep telling the truth Keypurr, sooner or later someone is bound to actually read their Bible, and shake off all of the brain washing that has occurred from the pulpit of their favorite cult leader.
Thank you for your encourgement.
I am ashamed to say it took me many years to do it.
And the cost was high, but the rewards are worth it.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
In the Old Testament, God is Lord of the Sabbath. In the New Testament, this position falls to Jesus. Now, how can a position that was exclusively was under the role of God fall to a mere human or some secondary demigod?
Matthew 12:8 - "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."
Exodus 20:10 - "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."
Exodus 16:29 - "...the LORD hath given you the sabbath..."
Genesis 2:3 - "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
#2. God was manifest in the flesh:
1 Timothy 3:16 - "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
#3. Jehovah shares His glory only with Jesus:
In Isaiah 42:8 Jehovah himself is speaking, and He emphatically declares "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Again, in Isaiah 48:11, Jehovah is speaking, and He declares: "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
John 17:5 tells us Jesus said; "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
Fact is...you have yet to teach me anything, pops.
We are still waiting for that great demo of yours....when can we expect it?
Thats the problem, your unteachable.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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July 24th, 2012, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason0047
#1. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath:
In the Old Testament, God is Lord of the Sabbath. In the New Testament, this position falls to Jesus. Now, how can a position that was exclusively was under the role of God fall to a mere human or some secondary demigod?
Matthew 12:8 - "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."
Exodus 20:10 - "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."
Exodus 16:29 - "...the LORD hath given you the sabbath..."
Genesis 2:3 - "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
#2. God was manifest in the flesh:
1 Timothy 3:16 - "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
#3. Jehovah shares His glory only with Jesus:
In Isaiah 42:8 Jehovah himself is speaking, and He emphatically declares "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Again, in Isaiah 48:11, Jehovah is speaking, and He declares: "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
John 17:5 tells us Jesus said; "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isa 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
In the Old Testament, God is Lord of the Sabbath. In the New Testament, this position falls to Jesus. Now, how can a position that was exclusively was under the role of God fall to a mere human or some secondary demigod?
Matthew 12:8 - "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."
Exodus 20:10 - "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God..."
Exodus 16:29 - "...the LORD hath given you the sabbath..."
Genesis 2:3 - "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
#2. God was manifest in the flesh:
1 Timothy 3:16 - "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
#3. Jehovah shares His glory only with Jesus:
In Isaiah 42:8 Jehovah himself is speaking, and He emphatically declares "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Again, in Isaiah 48:11, Jehovah is speaking, and He declares: "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
John 17:5 tells us Jesus said; "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
Hi Jason, long time no post. I figured you were on vacation or something. Hope all is well with you and yours.
To begin with, Jesus is not ordainary person. We both know that.
Now God created everything through Christ, even the sabbath.
He is Lord of the sabbath. By the way do you keep HIS Sabbath holy?
Why would God not want to share everything with his son the Christ spirit? God gave him glory before the world was created. The Sabbath came after creation.
Jesus said the words about his pre exsistance but Christ was speaking through him. Christ was pre exsistant. Jesus was born to Mary. We tend to forget that Jesus has a human body and the Christ spirit. Two natures.
Peace Jason
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ
Last edited by keypurr; July 24th, 2012 at 10:07 PM.
I can't wait to see what happens to this country next, since about 75% of the morons living in the USA worship multiple gods.......
Keep telling the truth Keypurr, sooner or later someone is bound to actually read their Bible, and shake off all of the brain washing that has occurred from the pulpit of their favorite cult leader.
Which group do you identify with? You are like a JW calling Mormons a cult when you both are?!
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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July 25th, 2012, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by godrulz
Which group do you identify with? You are like a JW calling Mormons a cult when you both are?!
He said Morons not Mormons.
Do you expect people to believe what you say just because you say it?
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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July 25th, 2012, 03:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keypurr
Hi Jason, long time no post. I figured you were on vacation or something. Hope all is well with you and yours.
To begin with, Jesus is not ordainary person. We both know that.
Now God created everything through Christ, even the sabbath.
He is Lord of the sabbath. By the way do you keep HIS Sabbath holy?
Why would God not want to share everything with his son the Christ spirit? God gave him glory before the world was created. The Sabbath came after creation.
Jesus said the words about his pre exsistance but Christ was speaking through him. Christ was pre exsistant. Jesus was born to Mary. We tend to forget that Jesus has a human body and the Christ spirit. Two natures.
Peace Jason
Jesus has His own nature and His Father has His.
Until that is understood then people will never know Gods son, (unless they seek to) for their confession is that they think they only know God His Father who they say is the same as knowing His son.
Well it is not.
God is not a man.
and Jesus is a man.
The fact that Jesus is filled with the fulness of God does not destroy the man and all that He is as Jesus of Nazareth who He still is.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Act 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
The link you provided is trying to claim there are corruptions in God's Word. Claiming there is a corruption in all Bibles to prove a doctrine is questioning God's authority and ability that God could not preserve His Word properly for us today. I am sorry. But God is going to hold people accountable to His Word. If God cannot preserve His Word properly for the majority of the world to read, then your argument fails to stand ground.
The Bible has been preserved in English in the King James Version. All other versions are based on the corrupt Latin Vulgate Alexandrian texts (Which are Roman Catholic in origin).
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Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isa 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Yes, this is the whole point of Isaiah Chapter 42. Yes, it talks about a servant where God's Spirit will be upon Him. However, the key of the whole chapter is if you truly grab hold of the truth in verse 8, though. It says...
Isaiah 42:8 - "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
In other words, it says that I will not give my glory to another. However, in the New Testament, we see all power in Heaven and in Earth is given to Jesus, though.
Matthew 28:18 - "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
We also will notice that Jesus is the brightness of God's glory and sits down on His right hand, too.
Hebrews 1:3 - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Now how can Jesus be the brightness of God's glory in Hebrews 1:3 if Isaiah 42:8 says God will not give His glory to another?
The only logical conclusion is that Jesus is God and that the Father did not have to give glory to another who was not God. In other words, if you believe Jesus is God then God keeps His glory (and it is not given away to someone who is not God)!
The only way God does not give glory to another is if you twist Isaiah 42:8 beyond it's original straight forward reading.
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