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April 20th, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
So Christ's name as "Son of God" refers to His office and not to His origin.
Thank you for all that you have said in your posts: I have read it.
I am aware that God did not have sex with Mary, but God can cause a seed to put into Mary: So that which was conceived in her was of God and the egg of Mary. The seed in fact was from God, this is why God was Jesus' Father.
The way I see Jesus being the ''seed/offspring'' of David is via Mary. Mary was a descendant of David.
Rom 1:3 GW
(3) This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David.
When reading Rom 1:4, it was through the Spirit of Holiness/holy nature, Jesus was declared the Son of God:
Rom 1:4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
Rom 1:4 (NKJV) And declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
So this is how I would answer: In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God.
Also, I don't see the name ''Son of God'' refers to office. Where did you get this from:
2Co 5:17 Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation. The old way of living has disappeared. A new way of living has come into existence.
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April 20th, 2012, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Desert Reign
You are broadly correct. Psalm 2 is the language of suzerainty. An emperor king would install a vassal king. In the OT theocracy, YHWH was the suzerain and the king of Israel was the vassal. The words of institution upon enthronement of the vassal king would fit psalm 2 well "You are my son, today I have begotten you."
Thanks,
I had learned that somewhere, maybe history long time ago.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention again.
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"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Thank you for all that you have said in your posts: I have read it.
I am aware that God did not have sex with Mary, but God can cause a seed to put into Mary: So that which was conceived in her was of God and the egg of Mary.
The seed in fact was from God, this is why God was Jesus' Father.
The problem with your view is two-fold,
1. David was also God's firstborn son and God did no impregnating of David's mother. David became God's firstborn son by promise and not by any impregnating by God.
2. Jesus was begotten by God AT HIS RESURRECTION and NOT at His conception in Mary's womb:
30 But God raised Him from the dead. 31 He was seen for many days by those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are His witnesses to the people. 32 And we declare to you glad tidings—that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm:
‘You are My Son, TODAY I have begotten You.’
34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption.... Acts 13:30-34
Jesus was begotten by God at His resurrection and not at His conception in Mary's womb.
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Also, I don't see the name ''Son of God'' refers to office. Where did you get this from:
The name "Son of God" in reference to David and Jesus had to do with their office and not to their nature. Note that they both became God's representative kings the day they were made God's Sons. Psalms 2:6-7 clearly says that David and by implication Jesus became God's King the day they were was begotten as Son. Peter said that Jesus was begotten as Son AT HIS RESURRECTION (Acts 13:32-33).
There is no scripture which says that Jesus was begotten by God at His conception in Mary's womb. He was anointed by God to be Son at His baptism and was begotten by God as Son at His resurrection when He took the throne. Therefore, the title "Son of God" for Jesus was about His mediatoral office.
The Jews were ordained to be sons also which had to do with their office as magistrates. No impregnating by God occurred.
Show where the scripture says that Jesus was begotten BY GOD before His resurrection.
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April 20th, 2012, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
The problem with your view is two-fold,
1. David was also God's firstborn son and God did no impregnating of David's mother. David became God's firstborn son by promise and not by any impregnating by God.
2. Jesus was begotten by God AT HIS RESURRECTION and NOT at His conception in Mary's womb:
30 But God raised Him from the dead. 31 He was seen for many days by those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are His witnesses to the people. 32 And we declare to you glad tidings—that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm:
‘You are My Son, TODAY I have begotten You.’
34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption.... Acts 13:30-34
Jesus was begotten by God at His resurrection and not at His conception in Mary's womb.
The name "Son of God" in reference to David and Jesus had to do with their office and not to their nature. Note that they both became God's representative kings the day they were made God's Sons. Psalms 2:6-7 clearly says that David and by implication Jesus became God's King the day they were was begotten as Son. Peter said that Jesus was begotten as Son AT HIS RESURRECTION (Acts 13:32-33).
There is no scripture which says that Jesus was begotten by God at His conception in Mary's womb. He was anointed by God to be Son at His baptism and was begotten by God as Son at His resurrection when He took the throne. Therefore, the title "Son of God" for Jesus was about His mediatoral office.
The Jews were ordained to be sons also which had to do with their office as magistrates. No impregnating by God occurred.
Show where the scripture says that Jesus was begotten BY GOD before His resurrection.
Matthew 1:18 John 3:16
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"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Didn't you see the word "DECREE"? David was God's begotten Son by PROMISE! Didn't you see the end of my post where I said that God cannot have son's by having sex?
David and Christ were made God's Son's by the word of promise.
David said that God was speaking to him (David),
"I will declare the DECREE: The Lord said to ME, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten you.' "
The decree applied to Christ also because He was David's son. It was fulfilled in reference to Christ the day He was raised from the dead (Acts 13:32-33).
So Christ's name as "Son of God" refers to His office and not to His origin. He was the Eternal Word who became "Son" which meant that He was God's representative just as His father David. David was God's Firstborn Son under the old covenant theocracy. David's son Christ was God's Firstborn Son under the new covenant.
I can't believe you would accuse me of saying that God had sex with David's mother when at the end of my post I EXPLICITLY said that God cannot have sons by having sex. You read my posts as carelessly as you read the scriptures.
You don't understand that the word "Son" in reference to David and Christ had to do with their office and not to their nature. Christ was the ETERNAL Word who took upon Himself David's seed so He could assume the office of Son.
It was your wording that had me confused. I did not think you were that stupid. You may be wrong on the trinity but you have some truth.
I question your understanding of when Christ became the Son of God. He was born as the son and received the spirit at his baptizm. I fail to see how that compares to David Jesus when discussing "The Son of God." l guess I just don't understand the point your making.
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Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
If you own him then it is your responsibility to feed him. He wants a pizza. Go get it for him. I'll take a piece too. Make sure its got peppers and onions. Get a Bud Lite with it.
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Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
If you own him then it is your responsibility to feed him. He wants a pizza. Go get it for him. I'll take a piece too. Make sure its got peppers and onions. Get a Bud Lite with it.
Peace
How about you, pops.
You believe in God the Spirit and God the Father...that makes two gods does it not?
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