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March 1st, 2012, 11:03 PM

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You guys just refuse to see man's free-will to choose. That's terrible...
I completely believe in man's ability to choose what he most desires at any given moment.


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I completely believe in man's ability to choose what he most desires at any given moment.


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And you probably believe that man will always make a choice against the will of God, correct?? Even when it comes to salvation??



   
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March 1st, 2012, 11:07 PM

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And you probably believe that man will always make a choice against the will of God, correct?? Even when it comes to salvation??
Nope. Only if he is unregenerate. You can't please God in the flesh, you know.


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March 1st, 2012, 11:07 PM

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Sx--Do you personally see man's free will in action when you read the Bible?? Or not??
Men choose, what is your point......... are you not able to see a 3 dimentional picture with a Sovereign GOD?






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Nope. Only if he is unregenerate. You can't please God in the flesh, you know.


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But, you probably believe that one must be regenerate before one receives faith correct??



   
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Men choose, what is your point......... are you not able to see a 3 dimentional picture with a Sovereign GOD?
You guys don't believe that man has an ability to place his faith in Christ??



   
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You guys don't believe that man has an ability to place his faith in Christ??
You don't believe GOD can do anything without man's consent, so what.






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March 1st, 2012, 11:14 PM

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But, you probably believe that one must be regenerate before one receives faith correct??
I'm not sure I'd put it that way. But in general, yes. Believing in Christ is pleasing to the Father (I would hope you'd agree). And since we cannot please Him in the flesh, it leaves us with only one conclusion. One must be in the Spirit to please God.


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You don't believe GOD can do anything without man's consent, so what.
Now you're being "obstinate"



   
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Now you're being "obstinate"
Um, I'm treating you as you would treat me






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I'm not sure I'd put it that way. But in general, yes. Believing in Christ is pleasing to the Father (I would hope you'd agree). And since we cannot please Him in the flesh, it leaves us with only one conclusion. One must be in the Spirit to please God.


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However, Calvinism turns the process around. We must first place our faith before becoming a child of God. Calvinism states that regeneration must take place before we can have the faith. And that's only if we're one of the "elect" chosen before the foundation of the world...



   
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Um, I'm treating you as you would treat me
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And that's only if we're one of the "elect" chosen before the foundation of the world...
There is "your" problem. You don't believe Scripture.






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There is "your" problem. You don't believe Scripture.
Oh, I believe Scripture, I just don't run it through a "Calvin filter" before I interpret it...



   
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