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that does not explain it
so
somebodies work is obviously not done
All that is to be done is witness to the truth of God's Word, which has been believed, and that isn't work. If it was, it wouldn't be grace.
Eucharist [thanksgiving] is the state of the perfect man. Eucharist is the life of paradise. Eucharist is the only full and real response of man to God's creation, redemption, and gift of heaven. - Alexander Schemann
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The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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March 4th, 2012, 01:37 PM
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If Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness then we are cleansed, otherwise the cleansing is ineffective.
You do teach an unfinished sacrifice for sin.
Your ignorance does not equate to my false teaching. Sorry. You are mistaking justification with sanctification, making them the same.
determining what is the truth of God's word is going to take work
It does for people like you who refuse to believe it. For those of us who do believe it, it is effortless.
The proud believe they receive from God by working for it, and so they never receive anything. They, like Cain, make a sacrifice based on their own labor, but God only accepts those sacrifices based on His work.
The Cain's of this world hate those who receive God's blessing and did not work for it.
Yeah...their new spirit's made in the image of Christ is. But the flesh will continue to sin...some Christians less than others according to the measure of Grace GOD see's fit to bless each individual with during this life.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
We're sinless in the sense of:Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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March 4th, 2012, 06:51 PM
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I couldn't agree more! I have no ignorance and you are completely a false teacher. They are different, just as salvation and justification are different, but both are imparted when we believe the Gospel.
Believers are justified. Rom 5:1; 1 Cor 6:11;
Believers are sanctified. 1 Cor 1:2; Acts 26:18; 1 Cor 6:11; Heb 10:10
You can't even get your categories straight. Salvation and justification aren't different. Nor are they the same. One is part the other. In better terms, justification is part of salvation. As is sanctification. Election. Glorification. Etc.
You can't even get your categories straight. Salvation and justification aren't different. Nor are they the same. One is part the other.
I realize you are an inept student of the Bible, but you said...
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You are mistaking justification with sanctification, making them the same.
Again, you can't keep your thoughts straight.
I pointed out to YOU that they are not the same, yet they both accompany salvation. And i pointed out to you that salvation is NOT justification, nor is it sanctification.
HINT: That is why they are different words.
Let's start at the beginning and see what you actually know.
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The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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March 5th, 2012, 05:34 AM
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I realize you are an inept student of the Bible, but you said...
Again, you can't keep your thoughts straight.
I pointed out to YOU that they are not the same, yet they both accompany salvation. And i pointed out to you that salvation is NOT justification, nor is it sanctification.
HINT: That is why they are different words.
You said "salvation and justification are different, but both are imparted when we believe the Gospel". That's like saying "eating cookies and cookies are different. But both happen when you eat cookies".
I will type slower for you this time. Justification is part of salvation. It is the declaration of that our sins are no longer credited to our account. It is also the declaration that that Christ's righteousness has been credited to us (see 2 Cor 5:21). This is PART of salvation. It isn't salvation proper. So when you say that justification and salvation "both accompany salvation" it presents category errors and makes no sense.
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Let's start at the beginning and see what you actually know.
Who did Jesus die for?
Much in the same way as the day of atonement was only for the Israelites (the chosen people), cross is for God's chosen people. It is a propitiation.
Of course not, because you could care less.
I have no ignorance and you are completely a false teacher. 
HINT: That is why they are different words.
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