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March 19th, 2012, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by annabenedetti
Rome wasn't built in a day. It's being done incrementally.
Very, very, very, very tiny increments, too, if current events are any indication; at this rate I'll have been dead and gone for quite a while before "Rome" gets built.
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization."
Very, very, very, very tiny increments, too, if current events are any indication; at this rate I'll have been dead and gone for quite a while before "Rome" gets built.
So long as they don't lose forward momentum (and they haven't), they are succeeding.
Wait a minute, you're supposed to be proving he isn't. Why don't you do that first?
I never said I could prove it, I would needto be able to read Obama's mind for that. What I said was that I would back up my claims with evidence and reason.
I have done that, I have shown that there are at least two major areas of Communist ideology which Obama is not following. So far Truthsetfree has not provided any evidence at all for Obama being a Communist.
I never said I could prove it, I would needto be able to read Obama's mind for that. What I said was that I would back up my claims with evidence and reason.
And in doing so, you inadvertently misrepresented our country's form of government. Your evidence, such as it is, is simply that he hasn't nationalized business. (Although GM comes immediately to mind, as well as disallowing Boeing's to move to SC.....) So no, your evidence does nothing to prove Obama is not a communist, so at least you've admitted as much.
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I have done that, I have shown that there are at least two major areas of Communist ideology which Obama is not following. So far Truthsetfree has not provided any evidence at all for Obama being a Communist.
You can look at the people with whom he has spent a lot of time or had in his administration for some idea of those ideas he shares in common. That's a start. I'd lean towards a designation of a marxist ideology, myself.
And in doing so, you inadvertently misrepresented our country's form of government. Your evidence, such as it is, is simply that he hasn't nationalized business. (Although GM comes immediately to mind, as well as disallowing Boeing's to move to SC.....) So no, your evidence does nothing to prove Obama is not a communist, so at least you've admitted as much.
You can look at the people with whom he has spent a lot of time or had in his administration for some idea of those ideas he shares in common. That's a start. I'd lean towards a designation of a marxist ideology, myself.
I didn't misrepresent it at all. I said that Obama had not turned America into a one party state, which is true.
For GM, bailing it out was a policy which Bush has also agreed to. Furthermore, the government did hold a 61% stake in GM but it reduced that to 27%. If Obama was a Communist surely he would have taken GM over 100% not reduced the governments stake in it.
There is just little to no evidence that Obama is a Marxist. He neither talks like one nor acts like one. There is no huge state control over the economy, there is free trade. There is no dictatorship of the proletariat but there are tax cut extensions for the rich. There is no one party state but there is a representative republic.
Which parts of Marxism do you think Obama has followed and why?
I didn't misrepresent it at all. I said that Obama had not turned America into a one party state, which is true.
You called it a democracy. I helped you out with the more accurate definition.
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There is just little to no evidence that Obama is a Marxist. He neither talks like one nor acts like one. There is no huge state control over the economy, there is free trade. There is no dictatorship of the proletariat but there are tax cut extensions for the rich. There is no one party state but there is a representative republic.
Good grief. We've gone over this already. We're talking about his ideology, not the extent to which he's been able to act on it.
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Which parts of Marxism do you think Obama has followed and why?
His constant fomenting of class struggle, his promise to "fundamentally change" America, and "redistribute" the wealth, his nationalization of health care....for starters.
Like what? Reading a coloring book? Digging an escape tunnel with a spork? Maybe tricking the orderlies into thinking you're taking your medication when you're actually palming it and hiding it under your mattress?
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March 19th, 2012, 05:17 PM
I think he might have escaped!!! These threads just aren't as amusing when he's not around with his large font and variety of colors...
The pain comes from knowing that we have never been safe, and therefore will never be safe again. It comes from knowing we can never be so ignorant again. It comes from knowing we can never be children again. Losing innocence. Remembering heaven. That was the essence of hell. -John Jakes
You called it a democracy. I helped you out with the more accurate definition.
I could have been more accurate but saying that America is a democracy is still a true statement.
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Good grief. We've gone over this already. We're talking about his ideology, not the extent to which he's been able to act on it.
His constant fomenting of class struggle, his promise to "fundamentally change" America, and "redistribute" the wealth, his nationalization of health care....for starters.
Those things for me point more to mild socialism rather than Communism. I do think that personally he is more left wing than his policies would otherwise suggest, but I do not believe that given the chance Obama would create a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Those things for me point more to mild socialism rather than Communism.
1. I didn't say he was a communist.
2. However, it should be noted that he has had avowed communists as influences in his life.
3. Marxism is the more accurate designation because it's an ideology, not a political system, although marxism feeds socialism and communism.
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I do think that personally he is more left wing than his policies would otherwise suggest, but I do not believe that given the chance Obama would create a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Somewhere between leftism and marxism the parameters begin to overlap. We'll have to agree to disagree as to just where that overlap begins.
1. I didn't say he was a communist.
2. However, it should be noted that he has had avowed communists as influences in his life.
3. Marxism is the more accurate designation because it's an ideology, not a political system, although marxism feeds socialism and communism.
Somewhere between leftism and marxism the parameters begin to overlap. We'll have to agree to disagree as to just where that overlap begins.
That is fine by me
Marxism can be interpreted in so many different ways that using these kinds of labels is always a tricky balancing act
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