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I have tattoos. Am I proud of them? The answer isn't yes or no. They simply are. I was at another place in my journey when I got them, and quite frankly I don't know how I feel about them now.
I probably wouldn't run out and get any more now, but I also have not had them removed.
They are what they are, and the represent one moment on the path of my walk with God.
I appreciate your answer. While I would never get a tat, I do not encourage people to go have them removed. Seems to me that growing up, involves living with the decisions you made when you were young, and embracing the fact that there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ.
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Moderation is okay. It can be applied to all outward things. Getting a tattoo and getting every single inch of your skin tattooed are very different.
It doesn't really matter how much one tries to fight against tattoos, you are not going to win. That is because one is fighting with no real, solid premise.
With the kind of logic you all use, you end up making God's will arbitrary and that's quite frankly ridiculous. Do you really think that GOD is concerned about a petty tattoo specifically?
Tattoos are not different then any other vanity. Anything that promotes individuality is vanity. Wearing jewelry and stylish clothes and makeup and dyed hair and pierced ears., these things are all vanities.
What exactly is bad about tattoos? Oh, because Leviticus states not to do so? Well Leviticus also tells you not to do any of the above either.
Can you put two and two together, or do I have to for you?
If there is one thing that I find a bit aggravating which is almost unanimous among everyday Christians are these little nit-piks about things that are part of a much broader picture. Talk about hypocrisy.
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Ecclesiastes 10:10 If the ax is dull, And one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength; But wisdom brings success.
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March 24th, 2012, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick M
Knowing this, how can you be "pro homo"?
Are you talking about the "let's argue homosexuality" thread? Because...dude, I'm not. Not in that sense. That's just for fun and to stir up some new arguments on that topic. Do I need to go back and make that clearer, or are you just joshing me here or sommin'?
But I am pro-homo in the sense that I'm for homos. It's just that in that sense I want to lead them to Christ and help them not be homos.
Obviously not. You wear makeup, have pierced ears, and so on. Notice that orthodox Jews all dress the same an do not partake in any of that.
I find it amazing the amount of Christians that do not even know the reasoning behind God's laws. It is even written that if one follows the Law and yet stumbles at one thing, they have broken it all.
Well, let this be an example. If you denounce tattoos, then you must denounce all vanities. These things are all tied together.
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And yet you can't fathom that I'd reject tattoos as self-mutilation but have no problem brushing my hair in the morning.
You reject tattoos because you fail to see God's will at it's purpose and make it arbitrary. The body goes into the dirt and rots away. The tattoo will be all but gone, as will makeup and everything else.
Vanities such as this are merely venial.
Calling tattoos 'self-mutilation' is just plain manipulative.
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Ecclesiastes 10:10 If the ax is dull, And one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength; But wisdom brings success.
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March 24th, 2012, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
Obviously not. You wear makeup, have pierced ears, and so on. Notice that orthodox Jews all dress the same an do not partake in any of that.
I find it amazing the amount of Christians that do not even know the reasoning behind God's laws. It is even written that if one follows the Law and yet stumbles at one thing, they have broken it all.
Well, let this be an example. If you denounce tattoos, then you must denounce all vanities. These things are all tied together.
You reject tattoos because you fail to see God's will at it's purpose and make it arbitrary. The body goes into the dirt and rots away. The tattoo will be all but gone, as will makeup and everything else.
Vanities such as this are merely venial.
Calling tattoos 'self-mutilation' is just plain manipulative.
So your argument boils down to there being no law against tattoos, correct? Well, that's nice and all but I never said there was.
What I said was that it's self-mutilation and typically done for (mentally) unhealthy reasons.
I'd like to hear your take on the picture in one of the preceding posts. The guy with the tattoo from head to shoulders. Explain to me how that's not self-mutilation, please.
So your argument boils down to there being no law against tattoos, correct? Well, that's nice and all but I never said there was.
What I said was that it's self-mutilation and typically done for (mentally) unhealthy reasons.
I'd like to hear your take on the picture in one of the preceding posts. The guy with the tattoo from head to shoulders. Explain to me how that's not self-mutilation, please.
It's only 'self-mutilation' of one really wants to take it to a literal definition. You try to make it out to be some terrible thing.
Being covered from head to toe in that picture is not good just as a girl wearing a a see through dress is not good. It is spiking vanity to a high degree.
And I do not see how tattoos are done for 'mentally unhealthy' reasons. That doesn't even make sense. Tattoos are art.
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Ecclesiastes 10:10 If the ax is dull, And one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength; But wisdom brings success.
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March 24th, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
It's only 'self-mutilation' of one really wants to take it to a literal definition.
Yes, heaven forbid anyone do anything like use a phrase to indicate what it actually means.
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
You try to make it out to be some terrible thing.
What? Where? You still haven't read my original post on this topic, have you?
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
Being covered from head to toe in that picture is not good just as a girl wearing a a see through dress is not good. It is spiking vanity to a high degree.
And I do not see how tattoos are done for 'mentally unhealthy' reasons. That doesn't even make sense. Tattoos are art.
If you're too lazy to go back and look at what I said when you argue against what I said, then I guess I have to do everything for you.
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It's a form of self-mutilation, as I've said. It's purposefully altering one's own body, whether the claim of artistic expression or no.
I say "not a big deal", though, because it differs significantly from much more unhealthy forms of self-mutilation, of course. Enough that using the term "mutilation" there is a bit of a stretch. Nevertheless, I think it fits. With tattoos the mutilation/alteration is intended to be seen, even shared, because there's less the intent of mutilating (destroying) one's body/self as there is changing (controlling) it. Hence the artistic nature of it, to give it a purpose other than self-control that others can accept.
So, less unhealthy but still so. That is not a effective way of exercising controlling over one's self, and that makes it unhealthy.
That said, for the record I got all my tattoos before I became a Christian. They all have personal meaning to me and they're all well done, even beautiful as tats go. But they're there because that was one of the ways I exercised control over myself (or, at least, sought that sense of self-control - largely the best I could do). So they're something of a sad reminder of a fairly hellish time in my life when such things were necessary for me.
I also used to bite myself until I bled, sleep with other women, drink too much, drug too much, sing too loud and get into a lot of unjustifiable fights. I don't need to do anything of those things anymore, either. And, yeah, I lump all those things together with tattoos, and many other self-destructive things, big and small. Tattoos would be one of the small.
There. Now, if it's so important to you to argue against whatever I say then there's what I've actually said.
The wearing of earrings by men is currently not really rebellious or shocking in our culture (since, oh, about the 80s and 90s). However, some in our churches (especially holiness churches), look far too much at the outside, even to the exclusion of the inside. Call it a message within the message I gave that day if you like. I didn't intend to be offensive, but I did intend to challenge a bit. I took them out (oops!) because I thought I looked a bit silly.
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