toldailytopic: Is there any point in praying for the dead?
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No. It can only, hopefully, point them in the right direction. No one can spiritually save another. Only by being drawn of the Father does that happen.
It seems that no one is willing to offer a reason. That's odd for TOL. I suspect the reasons are related to the fallacies of Open Theism regarding temporality, but it is hard to know from the responses.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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"A day is as a thousand years" is about perspective. Two hours on the highway, to a five year old, seems like an eternity! To a 50 year old trucker, it's just the start of a good morning
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
Do you think that, when Catholics pray for the dead, they are trying to move a soul from Hell to Heaven?
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
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Hands that help are holier than lips that pray.
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March 16th, 2012, 03:03 PM
No. The Mourner's Kaddish is said after the death of a loved one but it isn't' a prayer for them. I'm not even sure it makes a difference to pray for a person while they are living, let alone after they are dead.
I believe that the Universe is one being, all its parts are different expressions of the same energy,
and they are all in communication with each other, therefore parts of one organic whole.
This whole is in all its parts so beautiful, and is felt by me to be so intensely in earnest, that I am compelled to love it and to think of it as divine
- Robinson Jeffers
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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"A day is as a thousand years" is about perspective. Two hours on the highway, to a five year old, seems like an eternity! To a 50 year old trucker, it's just the start of a good morning
The Holy Spirit is in time. Not that we separate Father Son and Holy Spirit but they each have a place in time.
What? You are are saying God is outside of time, but the Spirit is in time? What about Jesus? Outside then inside then outside again? Will Jesus be inside of time again during the millennial reign?
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"So if I stand, let me stand on the promise that You will see me
through
And if i can't let me fall on the Grace that first brought me to you"
Purgatory is a man made doctrine that only confuses the issue. We are called to pray for others but not for the dead. If we can pray for the dead then that is so close to universiliam that there is no difference.
But really what does the catholic denomination pray for when praying for the dead?
What? You are are saying God is outside of time, but the Spirit is in time? What about Jesus? Outside then inside then outside again? Will Jesus be inside of time again during the millennial reign?
Why don't you ask Knight or Bob. Have them back it up with Scripture.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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March 16th, 2012, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sky.
Purgatory is a man made doctrine that only confuses the issue. We are called to pray for others but not for the dead. If we can pray for the dead then that is so close to universiliam that there is no difference. But really what does the catholic denomination pray for when praying for the dead?
Already answered in Post #38 above.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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March 16th, 2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bright Raven
Church Doctrine
Yes. The doctrine of the historic Christian Church. (See Post #38 above.)
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
I suspect the reasons are related to the fallacies of Open Theism regarding temporality, but it is hard to know from the responses.
March 16th, 2012, 03:16 PM
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