Spare me your self-righteousness Granite. There are others around here who will take this tack seriously from you.....use it on them.
I'm serious. The only people here so far who've defended Zimmerman's lies--and his missus' perjury--are Christians. You guys aren't exactly coming down on the side of law and order here, to say nothing of the very basic "Tell the truth" life lesson.
This isn't self-righteousness, this is an observation. If your only response is to somehow make this about me, then this just demonstrates that I'm not the one with the problem.
I don't remember anything in the book along the lines of "When in doubt, lie in court," but maybe I missed that Sunday school lesson.
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July 19th, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Did Zimmerman really tell Hannity that this is just all part of God's plan?
? Why not? It's something I've heard said here at TOL hundreds of times?
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He also expressed zero regret for a single thing he did, which means he remains the same clueless oaf as before the shooting.
Is there a video here I missed or is there an audio problem with some ones computer?
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Same difference. He's remarkably tone deaf, obstinate, and clueless. At least.
Sounds like some of the media reporting that has been going on in this case.
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There was ... he could have listened to the dispatcher and allowed the police officers (who were on their way) to handle the situation.
He did, right up until Martin got into close quarters with him.
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Because an adult stalking a teen is a-okay via ASC's code of morality.
We understand ... That didn't happen ...
Stalking? Maybe, maybe not, we'll see if that can be proven in court.
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You're not the first person here who's shrugged off perjury, and so far it's all been Christians doing it.
Perjury happens ever day in court and is perpetrated by Prosecutors, Defense council, the accused and witnesses.
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And you people expect us to swear on a Bible in court. Ain't that rich.
Most states haven't used a Bible for the swearing in for many years, now they administer a legally binding oath of truthfulness.
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July 19th, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Because an adult stalking a teen is a-okay via ASC's code of morality.
We understand ...
Creepy little guy, isn't he?
As you said, Zimmerman could have avoided all of this, if he just did what the police told him to do. There's a good reason they didn't want him approaching a stranger on the street.
The thing that still gets me, is why a person with a criminal history of violence including an arrest for assaulting a police officer, was allowed to carry a gun. There's a good reason most states don't allow such people to have guns, and this incident demonstrates that. A quick temper and bad judgement are exactly the conditions that make homicide happen.
And yes, he could have gotten a baseball bat and might have been able to kill the kid anyway.
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July 19th, 2012, 11:00 AM
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I'm serious. The only people here so far who've defended Zimmerman's lies--and his missus' perjury--are Christians. You guys aren't exactly coming down on the side of law and order here, to say nothing of the very basic "Tell the truth" life lesson.
This isn't self-righteousness, this is an observation. If your only response is to somehow make this about me, then this just demonstrates that I'm not the one with the problem.
I don't remember anything in the book along the lines of "When in doubt, lie in court," but maybe I missed that Sunday school lesson.
Granite you know exactly what I'm talking about here...The blind little "always tell the truth" to Officer Friendly is a good way to end up in the electric chair and you know it (even when innocent). Personally I favor the "keep your stupid mouth shut and let the Lawyer do the talking" approach.
I don't answer for "other Christians" and I don't know what they have or have not defended neither do I care. (I think we went over this once before).Regarding the perjury charge though; I don't know what you have heard or not; nor what others have/have not defended. What I do know is that from the looks of it this DA is going to have a heck of a time sticking it (much like the murder charge)...it's another over-reach.
There has been a pretty clear pattern of over-reaching on the part of the DA and the Judge (who can't get over the fact he asked the wrong questions and didn't follow up like he should have). It's pretty obvious the DA and Judge are doing their level best to make Georgie an example (deservedly or not). If I were in that circumstance...where the authorities involved are more interested in public opinion (#quelling possible riots) than they are in seeking justice...I'd be pretty cagey myself.
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July 19th, 2012, 11:04 AM
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?Perjury happens ever day in court and is perpetrated by Prosecutors, Defense council, the accused and witnesses.
Hey! You're not a Christian!
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July 19th, 2012, 11:11 AM
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Creepy little guy, isn't he?
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As you said, Zimmerman could have avoided all of this, if he just did what the police told him to do. There's a good reason they didn't want him approaching a stranger on the street.
The thing that still gets me, is why a person with a criminal history of violence including an arrest for assaulting a police officer, was allowed to carry a gun. There's a good reason most states don't allow such people to have guns, and this incident demonstrates that. A quick temper and bad judgement are exactly the conditions that make homicide happen.
And yes, he could have gotten a baseball bat and might have been able to kill the kid anyway.
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July 19th, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Hey! You're not a Christian!
Oh noes, is this how conversion feels? Just joking guys!
Just trying to be an honest Pagan and calling it how I see it. Maybe I'm a Sumerian?
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Granite you know exactly what I'm talking about here...The blind little "always tell the truth" to Officer Friendly is a good way to end up in the electric chair and you know it (even when innocent).
Sure. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about sitting in court and letting your wife lie to a judge. I'm talking about a guy whose story was challenged and disputed by detectives from day one. I'm talking about a guy whose story continues to change.
Bottomline, the perjury Mrs. Z. committed was barefaced, inexcusable, and tells us a lot about this couple and their character. And so far the only people who've defended lying in court...are you folks.
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Regarding the perjury charge though; I don't know what you have heard or not...
Well, look into it then. She was arrested, Tom, and she's looking at doing time of her own.
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July 19th, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Well, look into it then. She was arrested, Tom, and she's looking at doing time of her own.
I'm sure they will have no problem getting a conviction for such an obvious case of perjury. That is the only reason why people are arrested isn't it?....because they are guilty?
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July 19th, 2012, 11:38 AM
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The thing that still gets me, is why a person with a criminal history of violence including an arrest for assaulting a police officer, was allowed to carry a gun. There's a good reason most states don't allow such people to have guns, and this incident demonstrates that. A quick temper and bad judgment are exactly the conditions that make homicide happen.
Maybe because he wasn't convicted???
If memory serves me, the charges where dropped?
I was arrested at 12 years old for Strong Armed Robbery, hand cuffed, taken into the sheriffs office and locked up... 4 hours later my Uncle came down and got me out, took me home and busted my butt. Two days later the Sheriff called and had us come back...seems they had caught the right guy...at 10-15 feet the two of us looked like twins...the victim even identified both of us that day in separate line ups, my alibi was the better (I wasn't even in that town during the commission of the crime)...mistakes are made...and hopefully corrected later on.
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July 19th, 2012, 11:45 AM
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I'm sure they will have no problem getting a conviction for such an obvious case of perjury. That is the only reason why people are arrested isn't it?....because they are guilty?
D.A.'s are a shifty bunch with the plea deals. Dem crafty debils!
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July 19th, 2012, 11:56 AM
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D.A.'s are a shifty bunch with the plea deals. Dem crafty debils!
Judging from the limited amount that I have been exposed to; it seems to me that is what everything has devolved into. They should change the name to the "Criminal Plea Bargain System".
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July 19th, 2012, 12:27 PM
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Judging from the limited amount that I have been exposed to; it seems to me that is what everything has devolved into. They should change the name to the "Criminal Plea Bargain System".
Judge, I'll take curtain number 3.
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Out, Out, Brief Candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more, It is a tale told by an idiot, Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. W.S.
Granite you know exactly what I'm talking about here...The blind little "always tell the truth" to Officer Friendly is a good way to end up in the electric chair and you know it (even when innocent). Personally I favor the "keep your stupid mouth shut and let the Lawyer do the talking" approach. 
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