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II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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March 24th, 2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
She believes that the Son is the Father, that the Son is the Son, and the Son is the Holy Spirit simultaneously. She believes Jesus forsook himself on the Cross as he proclaimed, Matthew 27:46 (KJV). And, then he commended his spirit into his own hands. Luke 23:46 (KJV)
If all three are one then there are not three, but one, and they are all each other.
If you are a trinitarian, she has actually done her math.
If you use 1x1x1 =1 to prove the trinity, she has nailed it.
She understands the math, you don't.
1=1 All one's are one. So one father is one son is one spirit, for all are one.
After all the son and the Father are one. Not two.
Since they are one you can rewrite 1x1x1 to 1x1 so as not to be redundant. Since they are one you do not need to have to list each one.
Seems you need trinitarian lessons from her.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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March 24th, 2012, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Totton Linnet
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As usual you are too muddled up to explain your doctrine.
If you say Christ is God, and He having a will seperate from the Father who you say is God, insomuch as He came not to do His own will but the will of Him who sent Him then you are admitting to plurality of Persons, instead of a trinity you have a duality.
You might as well accept the Holy Ghost as a Person and God different to the Son and the Father.
Jesus Christ did his Father's will, not his own.
There fore you have two different wills.
1+1=2
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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March 24th, 2012, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by graceandpeace
I dont know the term well enough to understand if I am one or not, but I do not see this verse saying that Jesus had a different 'will' than that of the Father, and the very text makes that clear..read the yellow.
If His will was different, He never would of said, 'not as I will, but as thou wilt', to begin with..He was in fact confirming that He agreed with the Father's will...even though His flesh at the time, was going to suffer.
GP,
It is easy to see where you are coming from.
He did his Father's will, he did that by choice.
It was his choice to submit his will to do the Father's will.
Just like a child submit's his will to do the parent's will.
There are always two wills when there are two persons.
But one may choose to submit to the other's.
Thus in practice, for that time, their will is the same. It is because one submitted to the other for that event. But there are two wills involved.
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
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March 24th, 2012, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by oatmeal
Seems you need trinitarian lessons from her.
oatmeal
"Father, into MY hands I commend MY spirit" ?
"Myself Myself, why have I forsaken myself"?
john w: "Log in, lose your mind."
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Slogan/motto:
With great power comes great responsibility.
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March 24th, 2012, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
"Father, into MY hands I commend MY spirit" ?
"Myself Myself, why have I forsaken myself"?
john w: "Log in, lose your mind."
I was thinking about this earlier....do you think it possible that because it is written down, that He meant to say it this way in order to teach us obedience to Him as Father rather than separating Himself from....Himself? I don't know that I make sense.
In the beginning I thought OK, maybe it's a case of severely over-thinking the problem and missing an obvious thing. But she just kept on going and going. And even after he gave her help, she didn't get it.
But yeah, I agree with you guys....the guy is a jerk.
Slogan/motto:
Success is a journey, not a destination. So stop running.
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March 24th, 2012, 12:28 PM
I just watched part of it again.
If I run a mile in 9 minutes, when I'm really in shape, and if the wheels turn 40 times a minute, and if the front-right tire is slightly below max air pressure....
AMEN....and, thanks.
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