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A burnt offering instead of his son - March 21st, 2012, 10:44 PM



Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Genesis 22:1-13

1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
3 So Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him and Isaac his son; and he split wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.
5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ***; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

What can we learn from the story? What are your thoughts on the highlighted portion?



   
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March 21st, 2012, 10:53 PM

Genesis 22:14 holds the answer.

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March 21st, 2012, 10:56 PM

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Genesis 22:14 holds the answer.
To what question?



   
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March 21st, 2012, 10:59 PM

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To what question?
You asked:

"What can we learn from the story?"





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"Experience teaches us nothing; revelation teaches all we need to know."

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March 21st, 2012, 11:03 PM

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You asked:

"What can we learn from the story?"
And you didn't answer. You said verse 14 holds the answer.



   
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March 21st, 2012, 11:04 PM

What do you think the point of the story is?



   
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March 21st, 2012, 11:06 PM

Does the ram represent Jesus, or does Isaac represent Jesus?



   
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March 21st, 2012, 11:08 PM

Only God will provide the substitutional sacrifice that will appease His own demands. "The Lord will provide."





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March 21st, 2012, 11:13 PM

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Only God will provide the substitutional sacrifice that will appease His own demands. "The Lord will provide."
Does the ram represent Jesus, in your view?



   
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March 21st, 2012, 11:19 PM

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Does the ram represent Jesus, in your view?
The ram was God's provision of a substitutional sacrifice in place of Isaac dying according to God's demand.





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March 21st, 2012, 11:21 PM

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The ram was God's provision of a substitutional sacrifice instead of Isaac dying according to God's demand.
In your view, did the ram foreshadow Jesus, or did Isaac foreshadow Jesus?

It sounds like you believe the ram foreshadowed Jesus.



   
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In your view, did the ram foreshadow Jesus, or did Isaac foreshadow Jesus?

It sounds like you believe the ram foreshadowed Jesus.
What "foreshadowed" Christ in this event was God providing a substitutional sacrifice to meet His demands.





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What "foreshadowed" Christ in this event was God providing a substitutional sacrifice to meet His demands.
Then you believe Christ is foreshadowed by the ram in the story.

But the ram wasn't the begotten son in the story ... and didn't carry the wood.



   
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March 21st, 2012, 11:38 PM

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Then you believe Christ is foreshadowed by the ram in the story.

But the ram wasn't the begotten son in the story ... and didn't carry the wood.
And Isaac was not provided by God as the sacrifice, so neither the ram or Isaac are perfect examples of Christ.

If anything they can both be used to foreshadow Christ.



   
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And Isaac was not provided by God as the sacrifice, so neither the ram or Isaac are perfect examples of Christ.
Huh? Isaac was not provided by God? You ought to rethink that in light of the whole Sarah was barren thingy.

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If anything they can both be used to foreshadow Christ.
Then the story loses coherence.



   
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