[Nick M]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

This seems foolish. Think.

Does Hakwing know you think he is foolish?

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by some other dude

He's still furiously googling it so he can pretend he's an expert

Barbarian.

[The Barbarian]

If a planet gets hit by a large object, and knocks a chunk off into orbit, you'd expect both the planet and the chunk to have contamination from the object. Which is what we see. What the cited source didn't say what that one element has precisely the same ratios on the Moon and the Earth.

As the new information shows, this is consistent with the object having been formed in the same zone as the Earth.

The other point is that the Moon's density is very close to that of the Earth's mantle and crust combined, while other large objects this close in have much higher densities. This is also consistent with the Moon having formed by a collision.

So, there's no need to imagine a magically-produced Moon. It seems to have formed like the rest of the Solar System naturally.

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

If a planet gets hit by a large object, and knocks a chunk off into orbit, you'd expect both the planet and the chunk to have contamination from the object. Which is what we see. What the cited source didn't say what that one element has precisely the same ratios on the Moon and the Earth.As the new information shows, this is consistent with the object having been formed in the same zone as the Earth.The other point is that the Moon's density is very close to that of the Earth's mantle and crust combined, while other large objects this close in have much higher densities. This is also consistent with the Moon having formed by a collision.So, there's no need to imagine a magically-produced Moon. It seems to have formed like the rest of the Solar System naturally.

So you've figured out which side the YEC isn't on and have stopped calling that side foolish now, right?

[Stripe]

Here's an analogy to describe how to redo a global flood.

Gravity affects the Earth's sphericity somewhat like gravity affects a weighted seesaw. Place the weight in the middle of the seesaw and it will be balanced. Make the Earth completely spherical and it's water will cover every point to a similar depth.

Move the weight on the seesaw and the beam will tip in that direction.

The analogous action to the Earth is a little difficult to understand, but it is essentially the same thing. Move some weight from one side of the Earth and it will not tip - rather the Earth's gravity will work to reform the Earth into a sphere. Spherical Earth = balanced seesaw.

The two situations are not the same, but the 2 dimensional seesaw example is a helpful tool to understand how the Earth could be flooded.

Back to the seesaw - imagine a waterline drawn a short distance above the beam. When the weight is in the middle, all the beam is below the waterline. But with the weight a little offset, the end of the beam opposite the weight will poke above the waterline. Move the weight further and more of the opposite end will rise above the waterline.

Now if we suddenly move the weight, the seesaw will rock back and forth a few times before reaching equilibrium. This will put each end alternatively above and below the waterline.

If we look at today's Earth, it is like a seesaw tilted so that 2/3 of one side is above the waterline. The way to regenerate a global flood is to move the weight on the beam to the same position on the opposite side. In reality, that would mean removing a great deal of rock from somewhere. Maybe if we teleported Australia to deep space. Gravity would force the Earth into a more spherical shape and, during that process the "beam" would spend time entirely below the waterline.

Its not a magical process, just very difficult to achieve. A meteor strike of extreme size might achieve it. A vast chain of volcanoes, perhaps. But the actual flood (rather than trying to replicate it today) had a very different mechanism for removing mass from the Earth.

Whatever amount of mass was displaced, it wasn't anything near the mass of the Moon. Removing the Moon from the Earth would be akin to dropping a dumptruck atop the see-saw. No life upon it would survive.

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Physics.

I should know enough not to read Stripe's posts with a mouthful of coffee in the morning. At least I kept the keyboard dry.

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Nick M

http://www.space.com/15035-moon-form...hallenged.html

Of course it wasn't a collosion. They were created in the creation week. The moon was set in motion to maintain the features we have on earth.

Scientists have suggested that the moon was created when a Mars-size object named Theia collided with Earth 4.5 billion years ago, with more than 40 percent of the moon made up of debris from this impacting body. However, researchers had expected this alien world to be chemically different from Earth, and past studies have revealed that the moon and Earth appear quite similar when it comes to versions of elements called isotopes — more so than might be suggested by the current Theia model. (Isotopes of an element have differing numbers of neutrons from one another.)[Charles C1]

Hmmm, where have I read a theory matching the observation before.

O goodie, another follower of Walt Brown. Maybe I can finally get rid of the bridge that I am trying to sell. Cheap.

In the meantime, looks like science is refining its theory. I know that is a difficult idea to get a handle on when you live your life based on the oral history of shepherds and believe every jot and tittle of that oral history, as transcribed and translated through the years is 100% accurate but, well, there you go. Suck it up and learn about the real world and the fact that very little is 100%. Well except for the 100% foolishness of Dr. Brown perhaps.
Peace out.

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Whatever amount of mass was displaced, it wasn't anything near the mass of the Moon. Removing the Moon from the Earth would be akin to dropping a dumptruck atop the see-saw. No life upon it would survive.

Please provide a citation to the scientific literature which suggests that there was life on the earth when the moon was formed.

Ah, nevermind. Forgot for a moment that you based your understanding of science on the fear induced by belief in the oral history of shepherds.

[The Barbarian]

So you've figured out which side the YEC isn't on and have stopped calling that side foolish now, right?

It was foolish to imagine a hit from a planet-sized object on the Earth, creating the Moon, without leaving traces of that planet on both the Earth and the Moon. Since YE depends on magic instead of creation, there is no conceivable test for YE that can't be fixed by more magic.

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by Jukia

Please provide a citation to the scientific literature which suggests that there was life on the earth when the moon was formed.

The Moon didn't form from the Earth.

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

It was foolish to imagine a hit from a planet-sized object on the Earth, creating the Moon, without leaving traces of that planet on both the Earth and the Moon.

Oh, so you are still calling the atheist's paper foolish.

Interesting.

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

The Moon didn't form from the Earth.

Oh, that's right, sorry, I forgot. Your fear based review of the transcribed oral history of shepherds tells you it was formed by an all powerful being about 6000 years ago. Mea culpa.

[Stripe]

...and physics.

but you never seem willing to talk physics.

[The Barbarian]

Oh, so you are still calling the atheist's paper foolish.

Interesting.

That is a problem for you and your atheist friends. But not for me. As you see, the story you presented was not correct. Could have been that you got it from a secondary source which got it wrong (your usual practice) or he could be wrong. How do you know he's an atheist, BTW?

And what difference would it make as far as his science is concerned?

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

the story you presented

Brabrie's on drugs again.

[WizardofOz]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Brabrie's on drugs again.

When did Brabrie first start using?