"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret," NBC News representative Lauren Kapp said in a statement on Tuesday, in response to a query by Reuters. "We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers
"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret," NBC News representative Lauren Kapp said in a statement on Tuesday, in response to a query by Reuters. "We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers
They did paint Zimmerman in a bad light by editing critical parts of the call out. They ASKED him what color the man was. Yet NBC didn't have the integrity to show the tape in context and let the truth come out, whipping up a murderous mob.
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April 4th, 2012, 06:27 AM
Let me first make the blanket statement that as far as I'm concerned nothing has changed my initial opinion that Zimmerman is culpable in this situation having followed someone around a darkened neighborhood on foot. Being a supposed neighborhood watch member/captain he should have been well aware of his limitations in authority and the safety protocols to follow in this situation which pretty much make it clear that Zimmerman should have never left his truck. He got too ate-up with what he was doing, got stupid, and in the end got a kid killed.
That having been said....
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At which point the coward drew his gun and killed Martin.
The emotionalisms and frantic cries are all well and good for the news and the race baiter's but to tell you the truth of it I'm getting sick of it. I carry every day...does this make me a "coward"? Is it the fact that Zimmerman actually used his gun? According to him the kid (actually bigger than him and not much lighter) laid him out and was repeatedly banging his head against the concrete. Is Zimmerman's story true? IDK...but if it is true I've got some news for you. Getting the upper hand in a fight is one thing, but if you set out to do something which has every chance of either killing me or turning me into a drooling idiot then; yeah...No, not just yeah; Hell yeah, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop you. I will shoot you...I will stab you...I will bust your windpipe so far closed it will take an immediate tracheotomy to keep you alive.
Get the idea?
If anyone on this board thinks that this makes me a "coward" step right up and say so. Better yet; step into a ring with me and you can illustrate how much of a "coward" I really am.
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It's also not like he was killed in front of Zimmerman's truck. It happened midway, which makes it possible for either of them to be the initiator of the confrontation.
Which further exacerbates this whole thing....and in my view makes Zimmerman even more culpable. He didn't just get out to try to get a better look...or to see a street sign. As the 911 recording makes clear he was following the kid.
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To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
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: Is it the fact that Zimmerman actually used his gun? According to him the kid (actually bigger than him and not much lighter) laid him out and was repeatedly banging his head against the concrete. Is Zimmerman's story true? IDK
The known facts do not refute anything Zimmerman said. In fact, the known facts support his testimony. We obviously don't know for certain that the thug walked up and said "you got a problem homey?", but since he the no limit nigga had no problem running his mouth on twitter, it shows it to be plausable he would act that way.
Which further exacerbates this whole thing....and in my view makes Zimmerman even more culpable. He didn't just get out to try to get a better look...or to see a street sign. As the 911 recording makes clear he was following the kid.
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April 4th, 2012, 07:36 AM
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Is this type of surveillance a crime?
Crime no....stupid yes.
Engaing in an unlawful act is not the only way one can cause a bad situation.
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To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
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April 4th, 2012, 07:41 AM
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The known facts do not refute anything Zimmerman said. In fact, the known facts support his testimony. We obviously don't know for certain that the thug walked up and said "you got a problem homey?", but since he the no limit nigga had no problem running his mouth on twitter, it shows it to be plausable he would act that way.
No they don't....neither do they confirm his version at this point in time. It would not surprise me at all if Zimmerman's story was true point by point...I am familiar with the Martin kids apparent mentality. I myself shared a "black-leather jacketed thug" version of it about 30 years ago.
I'm also familiar with the mentality that Zimmerman was apparently displaying that night though, and it would not surprise me if Zimmerman had attempted to detain the kid.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
So then he was not committing a crime, yet the boy was. Whether or not Z was stupid, he was pinned under an assailant getting his brains knocked out. Case closed. If we can't be satisfied with that, considering we all have a dose of stupid, what leeway will there be for any of the rest of us if we screw up and end up on the wrong end of a bully? Are we going to start blaming housewives who defend themselves from abusers because they had a "big mouth" and got themselves into trouble to begin with? Where does the judgment end?
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April 4th, 2012, 08:02 AM
It doesn't matter who started the confrontation. If the experts are right and the voice we hear screaming for help on that 911 tape is not Zimmerman, then at the time of the gun shot, Martin was verbally withdrawing from the confrontation which makes Zimmerman the aggressor from that point on.
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April 4th, 2012, 08:32 AM
Neither of these guys come off as saints. Martin was under suspension from school, and likely smoked pot. Zimmerman's rap sheet includes an assault on a police officer.
Both of them apparently had plenty of good points as well, and their families loved them. So one stupid confrontation leaves two lives irrevocably damaged, with one of them dead.
This is not the stuff from which you might fashion a morality play. Hopefully, it will force a clarification of the "stand your ground" laws to prevent future deaths.
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April 4th, 2012, 08:36 AM
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So then he was not committing a crime, yet the boy was. Whether or not Z was stupid, he was pinned under an assailant getting his brains knocked out.
This is under the assumption that Zimmermans story is accurate.
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Case closed. If we can't be satisfied with that, considering we all have a dose of stupid, what leeway will there be for any of the rest of us if we screw up and end up on the wrong end of a bully? Are we going to start blaming housewives who defend themselves from abusers because they had a "big mouth" and got themselves into trouble to begin with? Where does the judgment end?
Bull....to say someone has not committed an unlawful act is not to say they are not responsible for an occurrence. Where does it end? I really can't say for sure but I know that it begins: It begins with the concept that if you choose to exercise your right to be armed then you as well have the responsibilities which go with that right. Avoiding unnecessary confrontation is one of them. If you take it upon yourself to do a job for the betterment of those around you it is a fact that you will also pick up the responsibilities which go with that job . Knowing how to respond to situations to avoid escalation is one of them.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
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April 4th, 2012, 09:24 AM
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Neither of these guys come off as saints. Martin was under suspension from school, and likely smoked pot. Zimmerman's rap sheet includes an assault on a police officer.
Both of them apparently had plenty of good points as well, and their families loved them. So one stupid confrontation leaves two lives irrevocably damaged, with one of them dead.
True...unfortunately this sort of thing happens too often. If not this way then in others.
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This is not the stuff from which you might fashion a morality play. Hopefully, it will force a clarification of the "stand your ground" laws to prevent future deaths.
I think that is necessary...judging from some of the cases that have been brought up due to this one; I don't think that the law is being administered the way it was intended in some circumstances.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
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April 4th, 2012, 11:00 AM
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This is my only issue. To me following him is a small one. That is kind of the point of the neighborhood watch. They know who lives there and doesn't.
This is indeed the problem though...he had no idea who he was following. To make matters worse he was alone. Following in the truck is one thing but to get out and follow on foot is an entirely different thing. Judging from the layout of the area and Zimmerman's own account if he was following an actual violent criminal we wouldn't be hearing about this other than a blurb in the Orlando Sentinel about someone finding the dead body of a neighborhood watch volunteer in the bushes.
The kid at one point even came up to Zimmerman while he was in his truck and asked him why he was following him and Zimmerman claimed he wasn't. This in and of itself escalated the situation immensely. It was obvious that he was following him and Zimmerman lied to the kid....what would you think if you were in the kids position? Remember 17 year old mind here...not the rational adult one you have now. Zimmerman should have told the kid (through the closed or cracked window) he was Captain of the neighborhood watch and he had already called the police who were on their way and had his description and location.
These are just a couple glaring "don'ts" which Zimmerman "did" and they come from his own account. This is not "hindsight is 20/20 stuff; these are basic protocols which anyone who has even a remote clue should know if you are going to put yourself in such a situation.
...and I'm willing to bet that Zimmerman does not know everyone who lives there neither can identify everyone as a resident or not.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
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April 4th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Zimmerman is an overzealous idiot. It's not wonder Nick defends him.
Police were on the way. Zimmerman never even should have engaged Martin in conversation.
Neighborhood watch. Not self-appointed deputy Barney Fife.
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
Let me first make the blanket statement that as far as I'm concerned nothing has changed my initial opinion that Zimmerman is culpable in this situation having followed someone around a darkened neighborhood on foot. Being a supposed neighborhood watch member/captain he should have been well aware of his limitations in authority and the safety protocols to follow in this situation which pretty much make it clear that Zimmerman should have never left his truck. He got too ate-up with what he was doing, got stupid, and in the end got a kid killed.
If anyone on this board thinks that this makes me a "coward" step right up and say so. Better yet; step into a ring with me and you can illustrate how much of a "coward" I really am.
The kid at one point even came up to Zimmerman while he was in his truck and asked him why he was following him and Zimmerman claimed he wasn't. This in and of itself escalated the situation immensely. It was obvious that he was following him and Zimmerman lied to the kid....what would you think if you were in the kids position? Remember 17 year old mind here...not the rational adult one you have now. Zimmerman should have told the kid (through the closed or cracked window) he was Captain of the neighborhood watch and he had already called the police who were on their way and had his description and location. 
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