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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 4th, 2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
Hmmm.... Totally ignores anything having to do with Luther. Oh, and for the record, I never called nor implied Jesus was a liar. That is yet another, albeit new, straw man argument you create to once again avoid meaningful discussion.
anyone who doesn't believe Jesus when he says that his Church will prevail against all evils (St Mt 16:18)
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For as much as it depends on you, live at peace with others.
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April 4th, 2012, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
how utterly ironic...
man's invention???? Ha ha... i feel like laughing...
it was Martin Luther (human) who defied the Church Christ established.
everyone who studies history knows that there was only ONE Church in the world (still is) until Luther cgame along and started what he called a "church" (but againk there is only ONE)
there was only the Roman CatholicChurch in the world until the 1500s when Luther came along
he was a excommunicated
as a heretic..
but you are free to follow a man if you want
The RCC did not exist until 1054... please quit telling LIES!...
you are not fully in Christ's Church if you are not a member of His Church
Of course I am fully in His church. Membership in His Church is determined by ones faith in Him, not faith in any particular church.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 4th, 2012, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
I found the RCC in scripture:
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
God is not going to get ticked off (as it were) at a Church that serves him even if that Church is full of sinners and those sinners do things that aren't the best...
In other words
Why dont you call the devil the antiChrist and NOT some Church..
anyone who doesn't believe Jesus when he says that his Church will prevail against all evils (St Mt 16:18)
is objectively speaking calling him a liar
I never said that His Church wont prevail against all evil. I said the the Catholic church is not all of Christ's church. Christs Church is made up of those who profess faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior regardless of whether they are Protestant or Catholic.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 4th, 2012, 01:20 PM
i dont get it
protestants accuse the RCC of being wrong
for the dumbest reasons
like changing the time for worship
from Sat to Sun
that was done because JEsus was resurrected on Sunday
but the SDAs would have all of us worship on the same day the Jews used to worship, as if Jesus didn't change anything much... so it seems
anywy, BIG Deal one way or the other... Sat or Sun... Priests take their day of rest on MONDAY because they say Mass amost every other day...
swatting at the gnat while swallowing the camel...
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 4th, 2012, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
I never said that His Church wont prevail against all evil. I said the the Catholic church is not all of Christ's church. Christs Church is made up of those who profess faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior regardless of whether they are Protestant or Catholic.
then i guess the demons in Hell are part of the Church also?
If the discussion so far is any indication, taking the time to compose a response would simply be pointless, wouldn't it. Go ahead and drop the pretense of honest inquiry, hmm?
Actually it looks like you are unwilling to entertain a discussion that might cause you to question your opinions regarding your preferred interpretations of scripture.
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Sure you did. Your affirmation of Ecclesial Deism flies directly in the face of Jesus' promise that the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church---not "churchES"---that he founded. If you are right, then Jesus lied. It's simply unavoidable.
You are using the wrong, overly narrow and exclusive definition of His Church. The Catholic's are just part of Christ's great Church. Once you understand that then the Catholic doctrine of Ecclesial Deism becomes meaningless.
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
No "straw man" at all, as observed just above.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
+T+
Nope, straw man. You created something that I never said and argued against what you said. That is a straw man.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 4th, 2012, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CabinetMaker
Of course I am fully in His church. Membership in His Church is determined by ones faith in Him, not faith in any particular church.
if you dont attend Mass, dont recevie the Sacraments
you are NOT in Cbrist's Church
and JEsus doesn't do things for frivolous reasons..doesn't say: Oh here, partake of the Eucharist... but if you dont want to... no biggie...
or Here, go to confession... but if you dont want to ... if you think the protestant way is better and all that... Hey, no biggie again... no prob... Do whatever u want...
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For as much as it depends on you, live at peace with others.
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April 4th, 2012, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
then i guess the demons in Hell are part of the Church also?
they know also that Jesus is Lord...
Big deal
"Even the demons believe and tremble" (James 2)
Christ never established a church... he established an assembly based on the concept of an ekklesia during his time.
To my knowledge, I know of only a few churches that adhere to that model, and they are flourishing.
Why?... because it subjects those who have evidence of the spirit to continual evaluation and acceptance by the assembly.. and no one makes a living out of the offering plate, so no leaders meal ticket is on the line.
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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April 4th, 2012, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
Christ never established a church... he established an assembly based on the concept of an ekklesia during his time.
To my knowledge, I know of only a few churches that adhere to that model, and they are flourishing.
people who study history know
they know the RCC was/is the Church Christ founded, the Church he wants ALL to belong to... Its hardly in his nature to set up a Church and have it do things just so so... and then say, "Dont wanna come to this Church i established? No problem... go play golf instead... no big one"
right...
That would never be a Savior i could believe in
My savior says
I built this Church
i want ALL my children in it because that Church is what is best 4 them
if you dont attend Mass, dont recevie the Sacraments
you are NOT in Cbrist's Church
and JEsus doesn't do things for frivolous reasons..doesn't say: Oh here, partake of the Eucharist... but if you dont want to... no biggie...
or Here, go to confession... but if you dont want to ... if you think the protestant way is better and all that... Hey, no biggie again... no prob... Do whatever u want...
doubt it
All that means is that I am not a member of the Catholic church, it does not mean that I am not in Christ Church.
(Technically, I am still Catholic as well. I was baptized and confirmed Catholic and have never been excommunicated.)
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
that was done because JEsus was resurrected on Sunday
but the SDAs would have all of us worship on the same day the Jews used to worship, as if Jesus didn't change anything much... so it seems
anywy, BIG Deal one way or the other... Sat or Sun... Priests take their day of rest on MONDAY because they say Mass amost every other day...
swatting at the gnat while swallowing the camel...
The issue IS that remarried couples are ineligable for membership period.
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
April 4th, 2012, 02:49 PM
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