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Salvation is by way of being joined to Him who believes, you silly billy.
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ"
So it is His faith, not ours. We are joined to Him, and then we believe, not vice versa.
Your problem is that you are insubordinate, and therefore unteachable. Accordingly I'll remind you that in Christianity a woman is not permitted to teach a man.
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"
What most don't realise, being in the modern Western world, is that the Father had the right to marry us to Christ without our say-so.
Similarly, Rachel was given to Jacob at Laban's decree: it was not up to Rachel.
So then, just as Jacob didn't have to ask permission to enter Rachel (she was given to him) so Christ didn't have to ask permission to enter us.
When then He entered us, we came to realise we were married to Him. Being then joined to Him in the 'sexual' union, we have then His mind on things, and therefore believe, for faith resides in the mind of Christ, which we have once He comes into us.
Contrasting, Christ will never enter the non-elect, for they were never the Father's to give away anyway.
Colossians;3032430]Salvation is by way of being joined to Him who believes, you silly billy.
Yes, by AGREEING with Him, which entails OUR belief....salvation is relational...silly billy.
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"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ"
Yes, by AGREEING with Him..salvation is relational..silly billy.
The part we do is AGREE, and that is where OUR faith comes in.
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So it is His faith, not ours. We are joined to Him, and then we believe, not vice versa.
Wrong, we are joined with Him, when we AGREE with Him...which is the 'covenant' of relationship.
Can two be joined together lest they agree?
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
You teach a non relational gospel.....which is not the truth at all.
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Your problem is that you are insubordinate, and therefore unteachable. Accordingly I'll remind you that in Christianity a woman is not permitted to teach a man.
Likewise, you would take that verse out of context too..I am NOT trying to teach you. I know who the ONLY teacher is; JESUS...all I am doing is giving a WITNESS to what the truth is, and, I won't stop.
In Him, there is niether male or female....and, the text you are referring to is Paul speaking to 'woman' who have NOT yet entered that new covenant, or they are still on the milk....and, was told to learn quietly at home....by the same JESUS that would teach them.
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[i]"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"
Like I said, I am not trying to teach you...there is ONE teacher, Jesus Christ, after a man is saved, it is through the Holy Spirit that we get increase.
All of us are supposed to be a witness to what the truth is, however.
Being a witness and teaching are not the same thing.
..and, that verse is not speaking of woman not being able to teach the gospel, persay, it is speaking of woman who are not yet in the meat...they need to remain silent, until they have increase, and then, they can teach the milk/gospel too.
What most don't realise, being in the modern Western world, is that the Father had the right to marry us to Christ without our say-so.
Similarly, Rachel was given to Jacob at Laban's decree: it was not up to Rachel.
So then, just as Jacob didn't have to ask permission to enter Rachel (she was given to him) so Christ didn't have to ask permission to enter us.
When then He entered us, we came to realise we were married to Him. Being then joined to Him in the 'sexual' union, we have then His mind on things, and therefore believe, for faith resides in the mind of Christ, which we have once He comes into us.
Contrasting, Christ will never enter the non-elect, for they were never the Father's to give away anyway.
UMMM, we are in the new covenant NOW; where all men have beeen reconciled.
Do you understand what that means?
It means, that NOW, all men DIE for their own sin...unbelief...which is why God now allows for ALL to choose, life or death...as it was IN the beginning.
You need to learn to rightly divide the word of God. Teaching the shadow in the new covenant is horse pucky.
Slogan/motto:
"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."-1 Cor. 10:31 KJV
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April 6th, 2012, 10:10 AM
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We 'believe' in Christ, through a leap of faith; that means, we do not YET have the indwelling Holy Spirit; we do not YET understand, but we believe anyway...as did Abraham, who went up to sacrifice his own son, not seeing, or understanding why God would demand that, but simply obeyed, believing the words of God...and afterwards, received the promise of salvation, because he 'chose' to believe by faith.
Faith is hope in things UNSEEN..not in things seen.
Faith cometh by 'hearing' the word and accepting it, initially without any AID of the Holy Spirit; for it is our 'freewill' choice, to believe, that He wants and desires. This is initial faith....having eyes that do not see, yet believe.
John 20 :28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Jesus told many that they sought a sign...in order to believe, and He rebuked that mindset.
This is why Calvinism is wrong, in mho, it teaches a salvation that does NOT require 'faith' on the part of the believer.
I do agree with you on the fact that the 'second' sealing is not receiving the initial Holy Spirit, that comes, by BELIEVING, but your ideas that we believe because we see, is wrong.
"The sealing is the maturing...The seal is not the Holy Spirit, itself....It is the approval of the work of the Holy Spirit."-The Made Up Artist Daffy Duck-ette
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"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."-1 Cor. 10:31 KJV
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April 6th, 2012, 10:19 AM
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Yes, by AGREEING with Him, which entails OUR belief....salvation is relational...silly billy.
Yes, by AGREEING with Him..salvation is relational..silly billy.
The part we do is AGREE, and that is where OUR faith comes in.
Wrong, we are joined with Him, when we AGREE with Him...which is the 'covenant' of relationship.
Can two be joined together lest they agree?
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
You teach a non relational gospel.....which is not the truth at all.
Likewise, you would take that verse out of context too..I am NOT trying to teach you. I know who the ONLY teacher is; JESUS...all I am doing is giving a WITNESS to what the truth is, and, I won't stop.
In Him, there is niether male or female....and, the text you are referring to is Paul speaking to 'woman' who have NOT yet entered that new covenant, or they are still on the milk....and, was told to learn quietly at home....by the same JESUS that would teach them.
Like I said, I am not trying to teach you...there is ONE teacher, Jesus Christ, after a man is saved, it is through the Holy Spirit that we get increase.
All of us are supposed to be a witness to what the truth is, however.
Being a witness and teaching are not the same thing.
..and, that verse is not speaking of woman not being able to teach the gospel, persay, it is speaking of woman who are not yet in the meat...they need to remain silent, until they have increase, and then, they can teach the milk/gospel too.
Carry on....
"Like I said, I am not trying to teach you...there is ONE teacher, Jesus Christ, after a man is saved, it is through the Holy Spirit that we get increase...I am NOT trying to teach you. I know who the ONLY teacher is; JESUS...all I am doing is giving a WITNESS to what the truth is, and, I won't stop"-Daffy Duck-ette
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"...once you are in the New Covenant, you are to be a teacher yourself..."-Made Up Artist GP
She has told so many lies, made up things, that she cannot keep her spin straight.
" you would take that verse out of context too.."=her "Hail Mary" on every thread
"I am NOT trying to teach you. I know who the ONLY teacher is; JESUS...all I am doing is giving a WITNESS to what the truth is, and, I won't stop."
Deceit-not teaching, just "giving a witness."
Yes, you witness that you are on the spirit of "Boone's Farm," or "Ripple."
Salvation is by way of being joined to Him who believes by AGREEING with Him, which entails OUR belief.
No.
The believing of the believer is via the mind of Christ, not his own mind.
So again, the very reason we have to be joined to Him is that He is the only one in the universe who believes the Father.
Accordingly I'll remind you that in Christianity a woman is not permitted to teach a man. the text you are referring to is Paul speaking to 'woman' who have NOT yet entered that new covenant, or they are still on the milk....and, was told to learn quietly at home....by the same JESUS that would teach them.
He is speaking of any woman in the Body.
Your attempt to wriggle out of it was predicted, because you are one of the insubordinate women. So at present you are serving Satan.
Last edited by Colossians; April 6th, 2012 at 04:38 PM.
What most don't realise, being in the modern Western world, is that the Father had the right to marry us to Christ without our say-so. Similarly, Rachel was given to Jacob at Laban's decree: it was not up to Rachel. So then, just as Jacob didn't have to ask permission to enter Rachel (she was given to him) so Christ didn't have to ask permission to enter us. When then He entered us, we came to realise we were married to Him. Being then joined to Him in the 'sexual' union, we have then His mind on things, and therefore believe, for faith resides in the mind of Christ, which we have once He comes into us. Contrasting, Christ will never enter the non-elect, for they were never the Father's to give away anyway. UMMM, we are in the new covenant NOW; where all men have beeen reconciled.
UMMMM, this has nothing to do with what I have written.
We 'believe' in Christ, through a leap of faith
An ignorant statement.
Believing and faith are the same thing. We don't believe through a leap of believing.
Even the demons believe and shudder - James 2:19
Matthew 7:21-23
Conceptually, it seems necessary to differentiate between a demonic belief in God and Christ and a living faith. Even those who performed impressive feats in Christ's name had truly believed in Christ through the intellect yet were not saved (demonic belief).
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1 Cor 13:2 - If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
1 Cor 13:13 - And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Galatians 5:6 - 6*For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
Romans 5:5 - 5*Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
^^ faith or belief is made alive when it is effectuated through love which the Holy Spirit gives. This is why sanctification and justification cannot be pulled apart and isolated in soteriological discussions.
The full counsel of scripture informs us that faith is obedience, not just believing. It is the modern rendition which people have swallowed, which is the problem.
But the issue of this thread is the seal of the Holy Spirit. I have detailed at multiple posts - particularly at post 16 - that such is in reference to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit rather than the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit unto salvation, and that most believers today have not received this baptism, which is purely experiential in nature, and which results in supernatural gifts.
So most believers today, are exactly equivalent to OT believers, only with the addition of knowledge they have learned from the NT writings. So they are like those baptised under John, only with NT understanding gleaned from NT writings.
So they are saved, only they have not been baptised in the Spirit unto power and the supernatural gifts.
Salvation is by way of being joined to Him who believes by AGREEING with Him, which entails OUR belief.
No.
The believing of the believer is via the mind of Christ, not his own mind.
So again, the very reason we have to be joined to Him is that He is the only one in the universe who believes the Father.
Accordingly I'll remind you that in Christianity a woman is not permitted to teach a man. the text you are referring to is Paul speaking to 'woman' who have NOT yet entered that new covenant, or they are still on the milk....and, was told to learn quietly at home....by the same JESUS that would teach them.
He is speaking of any woman in the Body.
Your attempt to wriggle out of it was predicted, because you are one of the insubordinate women. So at present you are serving Satan.
The Sealing of the Holy Spirit is a figure of speech that indicates that the Elect are secured in the Truth of the Gospel against being successfully seduced from it ! John teaches the same thing here 1 Jn 2:20,26-27
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
After the Elect sinner believes the Gospel of Truth, they are sealed in that Truth until the Day of Redemption Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The sealing is for protection against false doctrines and christ's as per Matt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
That word deceive here is the same word seduce in 1 Jn 2:26
But its impossible because they [Elect] are sealed with an Unction given them by the Holy Spirit that is given to them 1 Jn 2 !
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The Sealing of the Holy Spirit is a figure of speech that indicates that the Elect are secured in the Truth of the Gospel against being successfully seduced from it ! John teaches the same thing here 1 Jn 2:20,26-27
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
After the Elect sinner believes the Gospel of Truth, they are sealed in that Truth until the Day of Redemption Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The sealing is for protection against false doctrines and christ's as per Matt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
That word deceive here is the same word seduce in 1 Jn 2:26
But its impossible because they [Elect] are sealed with an Unction given them by the Holy Spirit that is given to them 1 Jn 2 !
..and, it is open to all...who do this:
2 Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
It is the RESPONSE of every believer, and responsibility...that is.
There are many who do not, and fail the test of faith.
One is Elect, when they are obedient to the message, not before.
The sealing is actually, the 'electing'...we are not elect prior, by some magic wand of God, that He foreordained, this one to be and that one to be, while cutting others out, before they CHOOSE of their own freewill to obey the message.
You loony tune Calvinists make God a god of force.
His plan of salvation is open to all....and, He chooses those who OBEY.
Not those who HE preordained to obey.
Love is relational....it demands we give back to God what He FREELY gave to us.
He said, SEEK, and ye shall find.
He said, remain faithful, and you shall be blessed.
Freewill is the essence of our giving back to God freely what He gave to us; our LOVE.
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