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April 6th, 2012, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
Hey, who the hell you callin' a Republican?
Well, that's better.
Yes, yes and yes, it partly is. Certainly when they address their trouble by committing murder. And certainly when people like you encourage them to do that.
1) God has the authority to kill whomever He pleases whenever He pleases.
2) God isn't responsible for spontaneous abortions, you moron.
God inspiring a woman to murder her own child? While it's still in her womb, even?
You're seriously suggesting this? What an evil little toad you are.
Oh, yes. Because abortion helps women. And men...why men don't like it at all. Not a bit.
Fact is that you're furious anyone would suggest the legal right to murder your own child not be a legally accessible method of birth control. Because you want that handy-dandy birth control method available so you don't have to worry if some girl gets pregnant. Who cares what that does to the girl? The only part of her you're interested in will still be useful to you, right?
So, sure. You're all about "women's rights" to go rip themselves to pieces taking care of that little problem you don't want to deal with.
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April 6th, 2012, 10:25 AM
When I first read the headline, my optimistic side thought, "Wow, you mean ordinary citizens are taking matters into their own hands to educate themselves and their children about responsible sexuality?"
Nope.
They're just passing LAWS.
Because LAWS worked so well at stopping the production and distribution of alcohol in this country, and so naturally will be the most effective way to stop abortion.
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April 6th, 2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Son of Jack
I live in Mississippi, and a large number of our legislators have been trying for a while to get the one abortion clinic here closed down. In fact, our governor, Phil Bryant, has made no bones about it. He wants to end abortion in the state of Mississippi. Perhaps, if we could do it, other states will jump on-board and do it in their states as well.
Or, neighboring states might decide that "abortion tourism" is a viable revenue stream...
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April 6th, 2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by biomystic
The most ignorant State in the Union does it again! How proud Mississippians were to be shown all over America and the world as ignorant racists. Now they want to proudly display another form of bigotry. Bigotry against women's rights to control their own bodies and be free of slavery to men's ideas how to punish women mothers outside of marriage.
A bill passed by Mississippi lawmakers putting new restrictions on doctors performing abortions moves the state one step closer to becoming “abortion free.”
There is only one abortion clinic in the state, and the owner, Diane Derzis, has said the bill’s requirements could force it to shut down.
i dont get how this is going to stop abortion in that state???
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April 6th, 2012, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by One Eyed Jack
It isn't about killing your children, either. God hates child-sacrifice -- He's destroyed entire nations because of it. Abortion is evil.
So, if "abortion tourism" becomes an issue in the US, do you believe that God's wrath would fall on individual states, or would He punish the country as a whole?
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization."
And I would gather by your fanatic label and response that you'd be another one who doesn't recognize God as the busiest abortionist on earth, giving most every single fertile woman on earth a spontaneous abortion at some point in her life. So God can abort but a mother cannot? What hypocrisy! What gall to think you anti-abortionists know more than God does about the conditions for life for a fetus? What if God were in fact working through a conscious woman's mind, huh? Who are you to judge God?
As a pro-choicer, I have to tell you that this argument does not work.
By this logic, God is also the biggest killer in the world, using disease, famine and natural disasters. That doesn't make it hypocritical for us to judge human murderers. The argument that God may be working through the murderer is also no excuse.
There is also a sense from your words that there is absolutely nothing wrong with abortion. Even if it is justified, an abortion is the taking of another human's life, and that should not be taken lightly.
Discouraging abortion as a form of birth control is in everyone's greater interest. The decision ultimately rests with the woman, but that doesn't mean it should be easy, convenient or cheap. My only concern about Mississippi's law is that it will cause women to have back alley abortions, risking more lives.
"What if the Hokie Pokie is really what it's all about?"
As a pro-choicer, I have to tell you that this argument does not work.
By this logic, God is also the biggest killer in the world, using disease, famine and natural disasters. That doesn't make it hypocritical for us to judge human murderers. The argument that God may be working through the murderer is also no excuse.
No, I quite disagree with you logic. You're trying to equate natural disasters that no person can control with human laws trying to take control a woman's body away from her and give it to usually a group of men in office. It's a specific accusation of totalitarian control over women that is at issue and I do think linking unconscious spontaneous abortions to conscious abortions is a valid argument. And no, I am not promoting abortions as a solution which in every case I know personally was an extremely hard decision to make for the woman involved. Few women take abortion lightly but adding criminality to a mother's burden is no solution.
There is also a sense from your words that there is absolutely nothing wrong with abortion. Even if it is justified, an abortion is the taking of another human's life, and that should not be taken lightly.
Discouraging abortion as a form of birth control is in everyone's greater interest. The decision ultimately rests with the woman, but that doesn't mean it should be easy, convenient or cheap. My only concern about Mississippi's law is that it will cause women to have back alley abortions, risking more lives.
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April 6th, 2012, 11:51 AM
Just
That is all
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
No, I quite disagree with you logic. You're trying to equate natural disasters that no person can control with human laws trying to take control a woman's body away from her and give it to usually a group of men in office.
No, I'm not.
I'm saying the following:
Natural miscarriages are to abortions
as
Natural death is to murder.
The first can be said to be an act of God, while the second is an act with the same result that a human does for their own purposes.
Just because "God does it too" does not make it hypocritical to ban an action for humans. The argument does not work. Please use better arguments, there are plenty to choose from.
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Originally Posted by biomystic
It's a specific accusation of totalitarian control over women that is at issue and I do think linking unconscious spontaneous abortions to conscious abortions is a valid argument. And no, I am not promoting abortions as a solution which in every case I know personally was an extremely hard decision to make for the woman involved. Few women take abortion lightly but adding criminality to a mother's burden is no solution.
The Mississippi law does not make it illegal to have abortions, nor does it add "criminality to the mother's burden". It only makes it harder for abortion providers to do their work.
While I am not naive enough to say there is no alterior motive, regulating a medical procedure is well within the right of a state.
"What if the Hokie Pokie is really what it's all about?"
The most ignorant State in the Union does it again! How proud Mississippians were to be shown all over America and the world as ignorant racists. Now they want to proudly display another form of bigotry. Bigotry against women's rights to control their own bodies and be free of slavery to men's ideas how to punish women mothers outside of marriage.
Any true Christian should know that abortion is not about a woman's right to control her own body, it is about the killing of an unborn child. How does killing an unborn child equate to a woman having control over her body? It is the unborn child whose life is being taken not the woman. If there was any control over a body it should have been the woman contolling her body enough to not have sex and get pregnant. (Obviously if the woman is raped there was no control for her there)
This whole right to control one's body argument is an ignorant liberal war cry deliberately made to go against the moral values set forth by God.
Oh by the way, you might want to change your label from Christian to something else.
So, if "abortion tourism" becomes an issue in the US, do you believe that God's wrath would fall on individual states, or would He punish the country as a whole?
Any true Christian should know that abortion is not about a woman's right to control her own body, it is about the killing of an unborn child. How does killing an unborn child equate to a woman having control over her body? It is the unborn child whose life is being taken not the woman.
Here we have the ignorance of anti-abortionists who seem to know very little about the human body. A fetus cannot exist without the mother. It is attached to the mother's body directly and has no means of survival on its own. Therefore, it is the Mother's life which determines the existence of the fetus. Not the fetus' which as biologic points out, has no existence on its own--it is most definitely part and parcel of the Mother's body. She therefore is the ONLY person who can make any decisions about her own body. Not you, not Mississippi, not any man-made laws. And not a bunch of phony Christians who have zero interest in the life of the Mother, and only want to make man-made laws protecting their own creation, the stand-alone fetus that exists by itself. It's a biological lie-the idea that a fetus can stand alone and has more rights than the Mother-a fetus is part and parcel of the Mother's body. So recognize her rights and stop trying to criminalize mothers for making the toughest decisions of their lives--no one wants abortion--but some must have them and it's a decision that can only be made by the Mother.
Keep you backwards Mississippi laws to yourselves. Slavery ended, racism ended but it took Mississippi the longest time to step up to the plate of full humanity and by this new law, it looks like it's taken a step back.
If there was any control over a body it should have been the woman contolling her body enough to not have sex and get pregnant. (Obviously if the woman is raped there was no control for her there)
This whole right to control one's body argument is an ignorant liberal war cry deliberately made to go against the moral values set forth by God.
Oh by the way, you might want to change your label from Christian to something else.
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