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The Lack of an Ancient Evolution story proves evolution isn’t true - April 9th, 2012, 10:46 AM

There are creation stories, flood stories, miracle stories and God stories that go way back in time, and passed down by oral tradition and then to ancient writings, however there is no evolution story. If evolution were true we should have at least some evolution stories passed down through the generations through oral tradition that our ancestors came from the trees and from an ape like creature.

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April 9th, 2012, 11:00 AM

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There are creation stories, flood stories, miracle stories and God stories that go way back in time, and passed down by oral tradition and then to ancient writings, however there is no evolution story. If evolution were true we should have at least some evolution stories passed down through the generations through oral tradition that our ancestors came from the trees and from an ape like creature.
. . . this nonsense deserves only one response . . .






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April 9th, 2012, 12:19 PM

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There are creation stories, flood stories, miracle stories and God stories that go way back in time, and passed down by oral tradition and then to ancient writings, however there is no evolution story. If evolution were true we should have at least some evolution stories passed down through the generations through oral tradition that our ancestors came from the trees and from an ape like creature.
This thread is the second public demonstration of Monkey’s ignorance about evolution that he has started recently. He is fishing for some way of baiting the evolution crowd. Just like his first attempt, to engage him on something this obviously nonsensical one has to get down in the gutter with him. I’ll pass.



   
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April 9th, 2012, 01:05 PM

Wait What?!

Just because our ancestors didn't have an explanation that does not coincide with our current one this does not make the current explanation invalid. By that reasoning Human knowledge could never expand or progress.

I agree that man is not the product of natural evolution as the current theories postulate but your reasoning behind this particular argument is flawed.



   
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April 9th, 2012, 01:47 PM

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There are creation stories, flood stories, miracle stories and God stories that go way back in time, and passed down by oral tradition and then to ancient writings, however there is no evolution story. If evolution were true we should have at least some evolution stories passed down through the generations through oral tradition that our ancestors came from the trees and from an ape like creature.

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Just on the offhand chance that you're interested in a response, I see two main problems.

1. The oldest stories we have are a few thousand years old. In order to document evolution meaningfully, they would have to be hundreds of times older than that.

2. Evolution wasn't noticed earlier because it doesn't happen fast enough to observe easily.





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April 9th, 2012, 04:46 PM

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2. Evolution wasn't noticed earlier because it doesn't happen fast enough to observe easily.
There is some debate about that. Some say that the fossil record shows stasis, which would be indicative of a much quicker evolution, if and when it did happen. At what point should Johnny have pointed up into the trees and said "Mommy lives in the trees?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
"Before Eldredge and Gould alerted their colleagues to the prominence of stasis in the fossil record, most evolutionists considered stasis to be rare or unimportant." "Evidence for the existence of stasis has also been corroborated from the genetics of sibling species, species which are morphologically indistinguishable, but whose proteins have diverged sufficiently to suggest they have been separated for millions of years."

"The sudden appearance of most species in the geologic record and the lack of evidence of substantial gradual change in most species—from their initial appearance until their extinction—has long been noted, including by Charles Darwin who appealed to the imperfection of the record as the favored explanation."



   
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April 9th, 2012, 05:15 PM

We don't have stories about over 99% of the animals we have fossils of either. No giant insects, no no hordes of prehistoric predators making survival nearly impossible for mankind. Don't you think we ought to have stories of those creatures, if they all simultaneously coexisted with humans?



   
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April 9th, 2012, 08:56 PM

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There are creation stories, flood stories, miracle stories and God stories that go way back in time, and passed down by oral tradition and then to ancient writings, however there is no evolution story. If evolution were true we should have at least some evolution stories passed down through the generations through oral tradition that our ancestors came from the trees and from an ape like creature.

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No, we would not have those stories because man was not capable of understanding and documenting their evolution until god breathed in him the breath of life.





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April 9th, 2012, 09:13 PM

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There is some debate about that. Some say that the fossil record shows stasis, which would be indicative of a much quicker evolution, if and when it did happen. At what point should Johnny have pointed up into the trees and said "Mommy lives in the trees?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
"Before Eldredge and Gould alerted their colleagues to the prominence of stasis in the fossil record, most evolutionists considered stasis to be rare or unimportant." "Evidence for the existence of stasis has also been corroborated from the genetics of sibling species, species which are morphologically indistinguishable, but whose proteins have diverged sufficiently to suggest they have been separated for millions of years."

"The sudden appearance of most species in the geologic record and the lack of evidence of substantial gradual change in most species—from their initial appearance until their extinction—has long been noted, including by Charles Darwin who appealed to the imperfection of the record as the favored explanation."
Even during the punctuational change, evolution is slow relative to generations. It's just faster than it would be under gradualism.

I'm curious monkey. Do you actually believe in punctuated equilibrium, or is it just the rock you happened to pick up?





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No, we would not have those stories because man was not capable of understanding and documenting their evolution until god breathed in him the breath of life.
I see, then that must have been in the 1800's.



   
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April 9th, 2012, 09:41 PM

I'm actually shocked at the number of evolutionists on this site...

The Bible DEMANDS creationism, otherwise the rest of Christianity falls apart.





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I'm actually shocked at the number of evolutionists on this site...

The Bible DEMANDS creationism, otherwise the rest of Christianity falls apart.
Will it make you feel any better to know I don't believe in either?

(Edit: In case I wasn't clear, by "either", I was referring to creationism and the Bible)





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I'm actually shocked at the number of evolutionists on this site...

The Bible DEMANDS creationism, otherwise the rest of Christianity falls apart.
Please start a thread about this. This is the core of the creationism issue- what evolution does to Christian theology. But we should stick to the theological significance- not the endless argument about the science.



   
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I'm actually shocked at the number of evolutionists on this site...

The Bible DEMANDS creationism, otherwise the rest of Christianity falls apart.
Even if the above were true, which it is not, Christainity is not dependent on the Bible. Christianity got along fine for hundreds of years without a Bible. Christianity certainly does not require that one see the Bible as literally dictated by God and true in and absolute sense. Indeed it is very difficult to defend that interpatation. The internal inconsistencies in the Bible alone are enough to make that view indefensible.

Only fundamentalist Protestant Christianity gets in a bind if the Bible can't be seen as literally true, but the internal inconsistencies in th Bible already do that





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