toldailytopic: Can a saved person lose their salvation?
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April 9th, 2012, 10:20 AM
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toldailytopic: Can a saved person lose their salvation?
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Ecclesiastes 10:10 If the ax is dull, And one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength; But wisdom brings success.
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April 9th, 2012, 10:38 AM
John 10:24-30 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
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Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
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April 9th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Once saved, always saved.
When the prodigal son returns home, he never leaves His father's house again.
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2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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April 9th, 2012, 10:59 AM
No.
When one trusts the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) they are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Anyone who says otherwise preaches an "other gospel"
Galatians 1:8-9 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
"Saved" means basically that you have been absorbed into the institution of the church, and/or are successfully programmed into its belief system. It means you have faith and assurance that comes from willingness to surrender your mind and your doubts to this authority. It means very little else than this. And there is no Devil or Hell to be "saved" from, aside from your own and society's demons.
The real goal is enlightenment, not salvation. That is a more difficult path, for those willing and able to embark on it. Confronting and mastering those inner and absorbed demons (including those installed by Christianity or other religions) is a crucial part of the path. Being "saved" (accepting church doctrine) does not at all cure you of these demons, as TOL itself demonstrates.
I also think that some people, like St. Paul, have had visitations, encounters, experiences etc. with Jesus. That can be transforming, and you might then become a follower; but "saved," I dunno.
To become a follower of Jesus the Christ (by whatever means) is a worthy adventure, but what the person does with this faith is still a question, project, or set of decisions. It could also be a path to enlightenment, but is not by any means the only path.
Keep the Spirit alive;
Eric the Green
Last edited by eameece; April 9th, 2012 at 12:54 PM.
"Saved" as in eternal life in Christ ---- no, you cannot lose it.
Eternal life would not be "eternal" life if you could.
However, one can be saved in general (as in removed to safety), and then lose that position of safety.
Noah and family were removed to safety on the ark.
Doesn't mean they were guaranteed eternal life.
Lot and daughters were removed to safety from Sodom.
Doesn't mean they were guaranteed eternal life.
Israel was removed to safety from Egypt.
Doesn't mean they were guaranteed eternal life.
Likewise, there are those in Revelation that can be blotted out of the book of life, and spewed out of the mouth of God.
Obviously, the position they held was not "eternal".
Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
No
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
With respect... you don't believe in salvation. Or is it that you believe there's an angry God who saves you and then you blow it??!! If so - that "God" ain't no God.
"Mind creates the abyss, the heart crosses it" Nisargadatta Maharaj
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