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That happened 2000 years ago. who count'in the days, today?
Must we own a billion dollar telescope to count the days for an actuate 7th day worship?
I had a similar debate with an Seventh Day Adventist and he claims that every 7th day has been marked and accounted for. How much will it cost me to hire a good calendar-ist so I may be saved.
Lets not return the the mistakes of indulgence required by the Roman Catholics to build a bigger and meaner church to mark the sun's shadows for proper salvation.
Give the protestants a break, please. We're trying to praise the Lord.
The way you Love and Praise the Lord is to have Faith in what he said and DO WHAT HE SAID!!!
Paul -- 041112
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
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April 11th, 2012, 08:39 PM
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Yes, if you're foolish enough to take ONLY ONE GOSPEL VERSION!!! - But that's the way of foolish people!! -- Try the other versions and try to make something out of them all, -- They CONTRADICT with each other!!!! - SOO use the one that fits your own doctrine!! --- DON'T LISTEN TO THE SPIRIT!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus was already risen before the First day of the week.
The Women arrived BEFORE the Sun started to come up while it was still dark.
Jesus was raised before the Dawn.
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1 ¶ And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
I will.
The day starts at sun down not sun rise.
First there was darkness then there was light.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 17th, 2012, 03:50 AM
The first day of the week began 6pm saturday.
The night comes before the day because we are now in the time of the night.
We are children of the coming day. (well some are)
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?
If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
-- God did Work, He made animals etc during the DAY
and He Rested at night (no work).
The Day begins at Dawn, Sun up , Light.
God worked during the Day but Not the night
just like we do every day.
The Day Ends at evening and continues till morning when it starts again.
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11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening was and the morning was - the third day.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 17th, 2012, 04:34 AM
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All Three of you are WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Jesus said , I work and my father works also.
Jesus said, Are there not 12 hours in a day,
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?
If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
-- God did Work, He made animals etc during the DAY
and He Rested at night (no work).
The Day begins at Dawn, Sun up , Light.
God worked during the Day but Not the night
just like we do every day.
The Day Ends at evening and continues till morning when it starts again.
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11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening was and the morning was - the third day.
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Wrong.
And the evening was and the morning was - the third day
evening before morning.
Jesus was a light in a dark place.
Jesus worked at night as if it was day.
Jesus is the light of the day, but the world was in the night when He worked.
Take this as you will but I remember being taught that a Jew considered any part of the day as one day, so crucified on Friday(1), in the tomb Saturday(2), rose on Sunday(3)
Maybe this will clarify some things too by By Dennis McCallum about Him dying on Friday not Thursday:
The Death of Christ (Last Week)
The Synoptic Gospels seem to say that Jesus and His disciples ate Passover together on the 14th Day of Nisan and that He was killed on the 15th Day of Nisan, a Friday. (Mk. 14:12 is a reference to the orders He gave His disciples to prepare the upper room for their Passover supper).
John however disagrees with this chronology.
-John 19:42 states that it was the "Day of Preparation" at the 6th Hour (i.e. Noon) when Jesus was crucified.
-John 18:28 states that it was during the early morning hours on Friday that Jesus was led into the Governor's official residence. He says that the Jews would not enter the house so that they would not be defiled for the Passover Supper, which they had not eaten yet.
-John 19:31 further states that because it was the Day of Preparation, the Jews wanted to break their victim's legs, hastening their deaths so that they would not defile the Sabbath (the Jewish Sabbath goes from Friday sun-down to Saturday sun-down). This again shows that they were crucified on a Friday.
-John also says, in this same verse, that that Sabbath was also a "High Day." This may mean that this Sabbath Supper was also the Passover Supper. If so, Jesus could not have eaten Passover because the Passover Lamb could only be killed in the Temple, and the Priests didn't start the ritual killing of the Lambs until Friday, well after Jesus had been taken into custody.
-Thus Matthew, Mark, and Luke say that Jesus ate Passover on the 14th of Nisan and died on Friday, the 15th of Nisan -- prior to the start of the Sabbath which would have been Friday evening.
-John agrees that He died on a Friday, but seems to say that Passover would be eaten Friday evening, rather than Thursday. The problem is resolved by the fact that there were two systems in existence at that time for dating days.
a. The ancient dating method which measured a day from morning to morning and
b. The official dating method which measured a day from evening to evening.
The need for keeping this dual system had arisen because thousands of people would come to Jerusalem to have their lambs ritually slain in the Temple. If they only had one day in which to prepare for the Passover, it would have been extremely difficult to have slaughtered all the lambs brought in to be sacrificed. Therefore, they worked on two different time scales. The Northern part of the country went with the old way of dating (starting from morning and going to the following morning). The Southern part of the country followed the official dating method (from evening to evening). Thus, there were two times when lambs were being killed in the Temple for sacrifice.
With two calendars in use, it was possible to spread the slaughter procedure over two days. The Galilean worshipers had their lamb killed on Thursday, while the Judeans had theirs killed on Friday. In both cases, the worshipers were eating their lamb on the same evening that it was killed. Thus, the Judeans were technically eating their lamb on Saturday, even though it was only sun-down on Friday by our reckoning.
Jesus, who was a Galilean, worked off of the old dating system, and ate Passover Supper on the 14th of Nisan (which for Him was on Thursday). This fact is reflected in the synoptic Gospels. At the same time, according to the official method of dating, He was actually killed on the 14th of Nisan--a fact that is brought out in John. This fact is significant, because the corporate sacrifice of a burnt offering for the whole nation was done at 3 p.m. the day of Passover according to the official reckoning. This means that at the very time that Jesus cried out "tetelestai" on the cross, the priest's knife slew the Pascal lamb! (see Jn.1:29 & ICor.5:7)
Since we have been able to determine that Christ died on Friday, the 14th of Nisan, we can now turn to solunar tables to determine which year(s) we would find the 14th of Nisan falling on a Friday. Remember, Jewish months are not reckoned by the Earth's rotation around the Sun, but by the Moon's rotation around the Earth. We find that the 14th Of Nisan would fall on a Friday in the years 30 and 33 AD In the year 31 AD, Passover was on a Tuesday, and in 32 AD, it was on a Monday. Thus, we find that the death of Christ must have fallen on the 14th of Nisan in either 30 or 33 AD.
In order to determine which date is the correct one we turn to Daniel 9:25 ff. According to this prophecy, the Messiah should be expected in the year 33 AD Since either 30 or 33 are permissible, we would prefer the 33 date.
There is one other piece of data that favors the date of 33 AD This line of reasoning involves the attempted coup that was thwarted at about this time in Rome. The would-be rebel was named Sejanus. He was trying to gradually overthrow the emperor Tiberius. In the midst of his machinations, his plot came to light. Tiberius arrested Sejanus and had him executed. There followed an extremely bloody purge lasting about 2 years, where suspected co-conspirators were tracked down all over the empire and executed. During this period, anyone who was an appointee of Sejanus' was in great danger. One such appointee was Pontius Pilate! Perhaps this explains why the Jewish mob was able to intimidate Pilate into killing Christ with the threat, "If you release this man, you are no friend of Caesar!"(Jn.19:12) Historians have for a long time pointed out that this story of Pilate backing down before a Jewish crowd is completely out of harmony with the other descriptions we have of Pilot as a ruthless, brutal, anti-Semitic tyrant. If, however, this incident occurred during the purge of Sejanus' appointees, it is very likely that blackmail of this kind would have been effective.
a. The rebellion of Sejanus was found out in the year 31 AD Thus this explanation will work for the 33 date, but not for the 30 date.
In conclusion, the Gospels contain a chronological record that is consistent with itself, and the known facts of history.
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