[The Barbarian]

we have noticed that you are a shill for the democratic party

A shill for the democratic party, who encourages people to vote for third party candidates?

On the other hand, you encourage people to vote for pro-abortion candidates, only because they are republicans.

So it appears that in spite of your claims to be pro-life, that takes a back seat to shilling for the republicans in your value system.

and that makes you a baby killer

[The Barbarian]

It is horrible and caused a lot of deaths, but Obama's record is still better than Romney's record.

But we don't have to vote for either of them, do we?

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by PureX

And vastly better that George W. Bush's record.

The only thing that makes Obama's record better than those of George W. Bush and Mitt Romney is that Obama doesn't lie about it.

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

A shill for the democratic party, who encourages people to vote for third party candidates?

voting for republicans is the only way to destroy the democratic party
and
that is what we must do because of their support for abortion

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by genuineoriginal

The only thing that makes Obama's record better than those of George W. Bush and Mitt Romney is that Obama doesn't lie about it.

you are a liar

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

But we don't have to vote for either of them, do we?

Nope. We can look for a candidate with a proven record of being pro-life, and vote for that candidate.

[chrysostom]

look at the supreme court
and
you will find their record

[Nick M]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

Barbie whines:
You can't stand the idea that someone from Africa was elected president.

Fixed it for you.

[The Barbarian]

Sounds like Nick's going into hissy mode again. Poor fellah.

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

Sounds like Nick's going into hissy mode again. Poor fellah.

you two deserve each other

[eameece]

Originally Posted by Knight

The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for April 12th, 2012 08:53 AM

ANGELA GLOVER BLACKWELL: We are not post-racial. We're not even close. Because race still controls everything in America. That when you think about part of what's causing so many people to be left behind, and in trouble, it's because they live in communities that don't support them. And those communities don't support them because of race.

We have black people, and Latino people living in inner-city, abandoned communities, because people moved away. So you have places like Detroit, were almost abandoned in terms of the people who were moving, and fleeing away from Detroit.

So race completely controls our settlement patterns, as a nation. Education. It used to be that education was the pride of the United States. And it was certainly the pride of many states, like California. I was recently talking to someone who was a leader of a state. And we were talking about poverty. And as he listed the safety net programs, for the poor, he mentioned public schools. It really caught me. I said, "Public schools, that's become a safety net program?" I thought public schools were for everybody. But as they have become associated with people who were poor, and of color. We are abandoning the public school education. That is about race.

And we have taken men, who are important for community, and we've created basically a legacy of absence in communities, by pulling the men out, and putting them in prison, in numbers that are unprecedented. Our incarceration rate in this country is the largest in the entire world. And the disproportionate incarceration of black men, in particular, but a growing number of Latino men, absolutely makes the point that race is a driver, there.

Race has become so embedded, and baked in, that people can walk around feeling that they're not carrying racism in their heart. But so long as they're okay with disproportionate incarceration, communities being left behind, children given no chance, this continues to be a society that is plagued by the legacy of the continuing impact of racism, right into today.

http://billmoyers.com/segment/angela...merican-dream/

[eameece]

Originally Posted by The Barbarian

A shill for the democratic party, who encourages people to vote for third party candidates?

On the other hand, you encourage people to vote for pro-abortion candidates, only because they are republicans.

So it appears that in spite of your claims to be pro-life, that takes a back seat to shilling for the republicans in your value system.

and that makes you a baby killer

That people here call you, a moderate, a "shrill for the liberal Democrats," says more about people here than it says about you.

[One Eyed Jack]

Originally Posted by eameece

ANGELA GLOVER BLACKWELL: We are not post-racial. We're not even close. Because race still controls everything in America. That when you think about part of what's causing so many people to be left behind, and in trouble, it's because they live in communities that don't support them. And those communities don't support them because of race.

We have black people, and Latino people living in inner-city, abandoned communities, because people moved away. So you have places like Detroit, were almost abandoned in terms of the people who were moving, and fleeing away from Detroit.

So race completely controls our settlement patterns, as a nation. Education. It used to be that education was the pride of the United States. And it was certainly the pride of many states, like California. I was recently talking to someone who was a leader of a state. And we were talking about poverty. And as he listed the safety net programs, for the poor, he mentioned public schools. It really caught me. I said, "Public schools, that's become a safety net program?" I thought public schools were for everybody. But as they have become associated with people who were poor, and of color. We are abandoning the public school education. That is about race.

And we have taken men, who are important for community, and we've created basically a legacy of absence in communities, by pulling the men out, and putting them in prison, in numbers that are unprecedented. Our incarceration rate in this country is the largest in the entire world. And the disproportionate incarceration of black men, in particular, but a growing number of Latino men, absolutely makes the point that race is a driver, there.

Race has become so embedded, and baked in, that people can walk around feeling that they're not carrying racism in their heart. But so long as they're okay with disproportionate incarceration, communities being left behind, children given no chance, this continues to be a society that is plagued by the legacy of the continuing impact of racism, right into today.

http://billmoyers.com/segment/angela...merican-dream/

So what's your suggestion -- turn a blind eye towards crimes committed by certain people?

[bybee]

Originally Posted by eameece

ANGELA GLOVER BLACKWELL: We are not post-racial. We're not even close. Because race still controls everything in America. That when you think about part of what's causing so many people to be left behind, and in trouble, it's because they live in communities that don't support them. And those communities don't support them because of race.

We have black people, and Latino people living in inner-city, abandoned communities, because people moved away. So you have places like Detroit, were almost abandoned in terms of the people who were moving, and fleeing away from Detroit.

So race completely controls our settlement patterns, as a nation. Education. It used to be that education was the pride of the United States. And it was certainly the pride of many states, like California. I was recently talking to someone who was a leader of a state. And we were talking about poverty. And as he listed the safety net programs, for the poor, he mentioned public schools. It really caught me. I said, "Public schools, that's become a safety net program?" I thought public schools were for everybody. But as they have become associated with people who were poor, and of color. We are abandoning the public school education. That is about race.

And we have taken men, who are important for community, and we've created basically a legacy of absence in communities, by pulling the men out, and putting them in prison, in numbers that are unprecedented. Our incarceration rate in this country is the largest in the entire world. And the disproportionate incarceration of black men, in particular, but a growing number of Latino men, absolutely makes the point that race is a driver, there.

Race has become so embedded, and baked in, that people can walk around feeling that they're not carrying racism in their heart. But so long as they're okay with disproportionate incarceration, communities being left behind, children given no chance, this continues to be a society that is plagued by the legacy of the continuing impact of racism, right into today.

http://billmoyers.com/segment/angela...merican-dream/

Are you saying that people are not responsible for their own words and deeds? Are you saying that it is okay to blame others for your drug use? your crimes against society? Your lack of interest in going to school? Your destruction of other peoples property? Is it okay for private citizens to place a bounty "Wanted dead or alive" on another citizens head? Is it okay to riot and use intimidation to achieve your personal ends?
Are you saying that playing the perpetual victim card is a means to problem resolution?

[The Barbarian]

So what's your suggestion -- turn a blind eye towards crimes committed by certain people?

A big start would be to make sentencing the same for the same crimes. For a variety of reasons, not all of them racial, whites tend to get lighter sentences for the same crimes under the same circumstances, than blacks or Hispanics.
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sp/disparity.pdf

This is a politically difficult decision, because private prisons have become a growth industry, and the lobbyists for private prisons are understandably inclined to push for tougher sentences.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1575...rowth-industry