"WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling" - Oh uh - 4 letter word!!
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"For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." - Romans 5:10
If you do not try to be like Jesus, then you will not inherit the Kingdom.
I do not think I need to post Scripture for that, being that the message is stated throughout the whole NT.
What you are portraying is wishful thinking, propelled by cherry-picked verses. What's more is that you are conveying a notion that non-Christians will get the purge over evil men.
It is obvious that this is corrupt and absurd.
It's actually blasphemy to be honest., goes directly against Jesus' teachings. One can think they can sin their whole life and be saved, but that's simply not true. You can either be a universalist or believe that people will be held accountable for their wicked ways. There is no in between, purging specifically for unbaptized people and the like. That makes for a petty god which isn't the biblical God.
If you do not try to be like Jesus, then you will not inherit the Kingdom.
I do not think I need to post Scripture for that, being that the message is stated throughout the whole NT.
What you are portraying is wishful thinking, propelled by cherry-picked verses. What's more is that you are conveying a notion that evil men are not as bad as people who are not Christians.
It is obvious that this is corrupt and absurd.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Pretty much kills this entire thread.
1 Cor 6:9-12
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Do you see? Does this verse say you will be a good boy, and wont sin anymore? NO, we have been WASHED, SANCTIFIED, and JUSTIFIED in the name of Jesus Christ.
Good works can come from salvation. I'm not doubting that, and I am living proof that Jesus Christ has saved me. I am so grateful for my Savior. But in no way does this have any bearing on my salvation. It is simply a result. And if I was to ever get to a place where I'm in the dumps, sinning, and wrecking my life, am I still saved?? YES, otherwise it wouldn't be much of salvation to begin with...
Your make believe, conditional salvation, based on a merit system is not biblical, and you're a fraud.
Tell me, How good do I need to be to get to Heaven?
1 Cor 6:9-12
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Do you see? Does this verse say you will be a good boy, and wont sin anymore? NO, we have been WASHED, SANCTIFIED, and JUSTIFIED in the name of Jesus Christ.
Good works can come from salvation. I'm not doubting that, and I am living proof that Jesus Christ has saved me. I am so grateful for my Savior. But in no way does this have any bearing on my salvation. It is simply a result. And if I was to ever get to a place where I'm in the dumps, sinning, and wrecking my life, am I still saved?? YES, otherwise it wouldn't be much of salvation to begin with...
Your make believe, conditional salvation, based on a merit system is not biblical, and you're a fraud.
Tell me, How good do I need to be to get to Heaven?
If one is with Christ, then they will not be wicked in their ways. If you are wicked in your ways, then you are not with Christ.
This can obviously happen even after being baptized.
Where is justice in Hitler going to Heaven because he was allegedly 'sanctified' and a an theist meets the purge?
There is something fundamentally flawed there. Your interpretation is absurd, and you are the fraud. People like you don't even know the totality of what you say, and if you do, then you are simply garbage. You insult the very virtues of God.
If one is with Christ, then they will not be wicked in their ways. If you are wicked in your ways, then you are not with Christ.
This can obviously happen even after being baptized.
Where is justice in Hitler going to Heaven because he was allegedly 'sanctified' and a an theist meets the purge?
There is something fundamentally flawed there. Your interpretation is absurd, and you are the fraud. In fact, you are simply garbage.
Where is the Justice when Hitler and Jesus both pay the price for Hitler's sins. You fool. You have no faith in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ
Where is the Justice when Hitler and Jesus both pay the price for Hitler's sins. You fool. You have no faith in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ
I have faith in what the Gospel says, and the Gospel doesn't conclude that evil men are saved.
You cherry pick verses to your liking and spit on the very virtues of God. WHAT YOU PEDDLE IS STRAIGHT BLASPHEMY.
Why are atheists not saved?
Oh yeah, because that can't be forgiven. Killing 6 million people is though.
What a tool. You believe in an incompetent god.
Why are atheists not saved?
Oh yeah, because that can't be forgiven. Killing 6 million people is though.
What a tool. You believe in an incompetent god.
Just clarifying again. I don't know if Hitler is saved. He is only if he believed the gospel. We are just using this as an example.
And yes, Them's the brakes... Like I said before. You don't like it? Take it up with God... Unbelief in Christ is the "do not pass" criteria at the gates of Heaven. Its SOOOOO easy to do, yet all these people cannot do it. Makes me wonder sometimes...
Saying it has anything to do with your conduct here on earth is unbelief in Christ and what he accomplished on the Cross.
It is not our works per se that save us, but we cannot get to Heaven without good works...
You cannot do a thing to save yourself (Eph 2:8-9). You are: wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked (Re 3:17). Salvation is entirely the work of God (Ps 3:8; 37:39; Jer 3:23). All you can do is thankfully say "yes" to his gift of forgiveness (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12). When you cry out to God, asking him to reign in your heart, then you become a part of his kingdom (Mt 5:3).
The moment you add to what Jesus has done (Gal. 1:6–8), you enter into false teaching (Mt 15:9, Jude 11).
[i] am so sick of this nonsense that is OSAS or virtual OSAS... Heck, even some Catholics live like OSASers..
OSAS is a discussion for saved people----Once saved always saved...
"Roman Catholicism vs. historical, biblical Christianity: "We have different authorities, we believe different gospels, we worship different Christs, we are led by different spirits and we are on different paths to eternity. Compare this with the unity the apostle Paul described with those who are in one body and one ......Spirit, with one hope; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, on God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all (Eph 4:4-6)..." Full text: No Idolitry & False Teaching
Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Jesus Christ showed His disciples how to follow God as a dear child.
Jesus Christ sent His disciples to teach the nations how to follow God as dear children.
Following God as a dear child will teach you all the theology you need.
Just clarifying again. I don't know if Hitler is saved. He is only if he believed the gospel. We are just using this as an example.
And yes, Them's the brakes... Like I said before. You don't like it? Take it up with God... Unbelief in Christ is the "do not pass" criteria at the gates of Heaven. Its SOOOOO easy to do, yet all these people cannot do it. Makes me wonder sometimes...
Saying it has anything to do with your conduct here on earth is unbelief in Christ and what he accomplished on the Cross.
You labor under the delusion that the Bible concludes with what you say. And you are flip-flopping around it, saying it is now about belief. Belief requires a conscious notion to at least try and do what one believes and therefore your previous statements are forfeit.
You labor under the delusion that the Bible concludes with what you say. And you are flip-flopping around it, saying it is now about belief. Belief requires a conscious notion to at least try and do what one believes and therefore your previous statements are forfeit.
--Once saved always saved... 
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~ J Vernon McGee Ro 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:13.
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