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God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus did not raise himself from the dead.
God gave Jesus the promise that God would raise him from the dead.
Acts 2:31-32,27
And God gave Jesus Christ the authority and power to believe that and therefore receive that.
Just like God has given believers the right to claim that they are going to heaven. I am going to heaven, because God's word says so.
I Thessalonians 4:13-18
And I am comforted by those words.
I am going to heaven whether you like it or not.
God gave Jesus a name which is above all names.
Why did God give that to him?
Because until God gave him that name which is above all names, he did not have a name which is above all names. Philippians 2:9
Now don't get all upset, you are have been justified, Romans 5:1
We all have made mistakes and God has justified you from your errors. Just try to learn from scripture first.
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LOL I have to admit, Oatmeal, you do have a sweet side.
Well, there are a lot of verses that speak of Jesus being raised...
by God - Rom. 10:9, 1 Pet. 1:21,
by "God the Father" - Eph. 1:17, 20 Gal. 1:1
by "the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus" - Rom. 8:11.
Could have been the Spirit of God or the Spirit of Christ. No problem for me because I know there is only One God no matter what you call Him.
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And, since Jesus is God and God never dies, He retained the power to raise Himself...which He tells us He did. It's no surprise to those of us who believe John 1:1.
John 2:19-22
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
John 10:17-19
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 16th, 2012, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
How convenient that you cite these verses out of context. Moses' face shown with the glory of God. He hid that glory by putting a veil over his face. Paul said that the same veil remains "to this day." Just as Moses hid the glory of God so God blinds the minds of men to the glory of Christ. Therefore, Christ is God. read the context and don't be lazy Lazy, 2 Corinthians 3:12-4:4
The same veil remains hiding the same glory which was/is Christ's glory.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 16th, 2012, 10:27 PM
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Soon? What have you been doing for the last 46 years?
I'm sure Guyver, like all born again believers, have been witnessing to to the unsaved wherever they may be found. Just think of all the people who have died during those 46 years you were too "lazy" to share the good news of salvation.
This is the funniest OP I've seen to date. I'll have to send it along to all my brothers and sisters on the mission field...they'll get a kick out of it.
Oh, that would refute your doctrine, now wouldn't it?
Too much Bible? Is that the problem?
Nope, nothing from the Bible can refute that fact, or the "doctrine" of the deity Christ. And you can't hide from John 1:1 forever.
Some day, .....soon, I hope, the Spirit will put that one verse in great big bold type, shine His glorious light right on it, and you'll see your Lord and Saviour like you've never seen Him before.
Wow..... I think I'm supposed to do it.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I guess calling you "lazy" was a little mean...it was kind of a joke on your name, but it was far from evil. I'm sorry if you were offended, though. I'll try to guard my tongue better in the future.
Actually, the words in the scripture became flesh, evident to the five senses.
Genesis 3:15 became flesh, evident to the five senses and actual flesh Jesus is the seed of the woman.
Micah 5:2 became flesh, evident to the five senses Jesus is the Lord everlasting
Isaiah 61:1 became flesh, evident to the five senses because Jesus Christ's ministry effected peoples' lives, their fleshly lives. Jesus set the captives free from SIN and death. That's not their fleshly lives.
God's word, His scriptures are His greatest work. Psalm 138:2
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Great verses, and they all point to Jesus Christ. He is the Living Word of God. John 1 is not talking about the written Word of God, but the Living Word of God...Jesus Christ, "Our God" according to Isaiah, John the Baptist, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
The Scriptures can't replace "Word" in John 1, because of the verses that follow which say "he" and "him." I'm not denying Jesus was the Word in the OT, but that was before He took on human flesh and dwelt among us.
Notice...all things were made by Him. We see many verses that say Jesus created all things. He is the Creator (there is only One God).
John 1:2-4
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:14-15
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
John quotes Isaiah as proof that John the Baptist bares witness of Jesus Christ...not the Scriptures. Notice the verse from Isaiah, which is quoted in all four of the Gospels. Isaiah says, "for OUR GOD." It's the translators that made it our LORD. Lord was used all the time in the NT where God had been used in the OT.
Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Isaiah 40:3-4
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 17th, 2012, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
I guess calling you "lazy" was a little mean...it was kind of a joke on your name, but it was far from evil. I'm sorry if you were offended, though. I'll try to guard my tongue better in the future.
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Just think of all the people who have died during those 46 years you were too "lazy" to share the good news of salvation.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
I think you missed his point. He was saying it was ridiculous that I'm paying to learn about 'his Father.' It was a personal slam. ▲Reread▲
I guess I'm blind for I did not take it that way.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Didn't you say it would "soon" be time to spread this great message that trinitarians couldn't? Or words to that effect?
I'll ask you again, more politely. Why is "soon" more appropriate than the last 46 years? Since you can't be assured you'll even be alive tomorrow, shouldn't you have been preaching the Gospel 46 years prior to "soon"?
Again, it was not evil...even if it was rude or insensitive. What is evil is spreading satan's message that Jesus Christ is not God... worthy of all worship and Glory.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 17th, 2012, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Didn't you say it would "soon" be time to spread this great message that trinitarians couldn't? Or words to that effect?
It is because of trinitarian attitude not the doctrine itself.
The attitudes go with the doctrine.
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I'll ask you again, more politely. Why is "soon" more appropriate than the last 46 years? Since you can't be assured you'll even be alive tomorrow, shouldn't you have been preaching the Gospel 46 years prior to "soon"?
The last preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom is much the same as at the first when Jesus sent His disciples to preach it.
Read Rev.ch 14.
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Again, it was not evil...even if it was rude or insensitive. What is evil is spreading satan's message that Jesus Christ is not God... worthy of all worship and Glory.
It was evil to say that the the things which God has done for other people through myself in the past 46 years were not done because I was lazy.
It was a criticism of the Lords doings, and a critizism of my own concern (built in me by Him above) for all people I have known and many I have not known.
I do not preach Jesus Christ is not God, but I preach that He is a man , Gods son, raised up by God to be God over the Fathers new creation as the first born of it, as scripture says.
I have found Christ to be very sensitive about what people say. The prevailing thought of man is that God is tough and does not care because He is big and can take it.
How wrong they are.
Jesus is Gods son, and every bit of pain of Jesus was felt intimately by His father. It is thought that one should become less sensitive as a Christian as they become older. That is far from the truth.
It is another quality they have which gets them through life as they are touched by the pains of those around them.
I do not have to say anything about anything to explain myself.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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